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Post by Charles Vane on Aug 27, 2015 1:04:02 GMT -5
but even hermione and ron got a little annoying in this one, omg who cares about harry/hermione.
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Post by B. on Aug 27, 2015 10:17:51 GMT -5
I actually find shipping Hermione with Harry or Ron really, really strange and weird.
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Post by Teleram on Aug 27, 2015 15:54:58 GMT -5
ron and hermione seems like a pretty reasonable pairing to me, though to be honest i don't really care about shippings in general.
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Post by Teleram on Aug 27, 2015 15:56:36 GMT -5
I'll expand a lot on this later because is 2:30 am and I gotta work in five hours but let's begin with this: The book is written to be a movie. Some scenes are treacherously cinematographic. It's too bad that JKR couldn't write the whole series before it/she got famous. isn't that a good thing? i actually like when authors do that because it tends to paint a much clearer and detailed picture in my head. |
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Post by bandit on Aug 27, 2015 16:13:05 GMT -5
hp is like a fairy tale, kids book, war story and melodramatic mess all put together and while i started reading it bc i was young and liked magic, i really ended up loving how dark it got and taking the tale of magic hitler and two wars and so many causalities and being like, oh hey everything turned out perfect eventually, the end, is really really dumb. It's not dumb, because it doesn't all turn out perfectly. A salsaload of people die, and the epilogue shows that there are still tensions between the Houses. The main characters are happy and life is back to normal, true, but that's not unrealistic. It's not like Germany is now a wasteland because of World War II, after all. |
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Aug 28, 2015 0:04:37 GMT -5
Sorry I couldn't give a proper answer before, I'm starting my classes again and work and stuff :c
Okay then: some of the reasons why I hated HP7.
First of all let's say I've been a HP big fan since I was 9, I created one of the most popular HP roleplay forums of Latinamerica and I always loved the way JKR books "grew" with her audience and how the series became darker and more complex with the writing more intense as the series continued.
Nowadays, with the hyperconnectivity we have (thank you dear Internet), it's pretty imposible to keep an idea intact if it gets massive. I think JKR couldn't deal with the success of Harry Potter, and I think it started to be more obvious after HP4. I think until then she knew, more or less, what was going to happen. Of course I think she had pretty much the general idea since the beginning, but I think after HP4 she started to improvise more and more. Then I think she succumbed to the pressure of giving fans/media what they demanded (or the contrary, to give the unexpected) and the story started derailing and losing it's quality. Even so I really liked HP5, I liked HP6 pretty much, I HATED HP7. With the overexposure of JKR and HP right around the time HP7 was being written the fans had pretty much figured out what was happening (RAB, horcruxes, Snape and Dumbledore, the ending, the relationships, the deaths), so she felt in the need of doing something new, surprising and unexpected.
What I meant before is that some scenes and the way they're set in HP7 is too cinematographic to my taste. One thing is a very visual fantasy series/book, another is something solely based to be a movie. Unnecessary and forced (in my opinion) stuff like Harry, Ron and Hermione escaping from danger one time and another time and another time and another time JUST IN THE RIGHT MOMENT WHEN EVERYTHING SEEMED LOST AND HOPELESS bothered me. That happens at Private Drive, that happens at the wedding, that happen in the cafe, that happens in the Ministry of Magic, that happens in Godric's Hollow, that happens in Malfoy Manor and a million times more. We got it JKR, it's a nice resource, but as our dear Lemony Snicket said: 'Don't repeat yourself. It's not only repetitive, it's redundant, and people have heard it before.'
I also hated the Deathly Hallows plot, I think it was a stupid move full of holes. She brings that stuff out of nowhere when that was supposed to be well-known by every wizard but Harry and Hermione. It seemed so pulled out of a hat, last minute resource. We got so much information about useless (or not that much) details of the Wizard World (mainly through Ron and his family of course) but she never got to mention this apparently incredibly common wizarding children's story? Not even by saying it's name? I wouldn't hate it too much if at least she mentioned the story SOMEWHERE before, or if it weren't a major plot FOR THE WHOLE SERIES... but is so obvious it's a last minute resource. I especially hated the unbeatable wand that somehow didn't work when Dumbledore used it against Voldemort in HP6 (and how did Dumbledore became its master if Grindelwald supposedly surrender and wasn't defeated?), and the infalible invisible cloak that Dementors and Moody could see through.
What about the characters? I think JKR ruined so many characters. It was expected a mature, grown-up Ron for this last book, but he's been the same immature guy until the very end, being unbearable and weak and boring. I think the lack of development he had in the last book is absurd. The Ron/Hermione ship during this particular book was totally forced to me, and as JKR stated recently, it's obvious she wanted to make Harry/Hermione happen. The romantic parts of HP7 are all about Harry and Hermione (some of those one of the strongest scenes of the book, like the part in Godric's Hollow). What about Harry using Unforgivable curses all of a sudden without remorse or second thoughts about it? Ginny is the character JKR hackneyed the most. She is useless for five books, then she becomes a main character with the least believable romance ever, then she becomes useless in the last book (well no, sorry, she bears Harry kids, good work Ginny! Thanks for bringing Albus Severus to the world!).
Let's talk about Voldemort and how STUPID and absurd he was. At first we had this wonderful and evil and egotistically smart villain who was so stupid to split his soul in seven pieces and get lost in symbolisms. After that kind of crap I seriously CAN'T believe he wanted to be immortal and defeat death. I understand all that stuff of being blind by narcisism and greed, but I think it's just unbelievable. If he to be immortal, his first or second or seventh Horcrux would have been a rock lost on the mountains, a grain of sand thrown into the sea, I don't know, something smarter than his pet snake or some precious objects with historical value that everyone knows. Hiding a Horcrux in Gringotts and another one in the Room of Requirements. Really? The room where everyone in Hogwarts seems to know? Are you serious? You can, I dunno, hide it in the fridge or behind the stove, not there you silly.
Anyway, yeah, I think specially in this book JKR got lost in those salsaty symbolisms. I mean I love symbolisms, in a decent amount. Most of them were okay in HP7, like I'm okay with most of the deaths, I understand that it was a war and people dies and all that jazz, but seriously, couldn't you give at least a page or two for Lupin to die? What about Fred? A brick killed him?! Hedwig's death, as well as Dobby's, made me feel sad, it was well-written, you could feel the emotion. Lupin's and Fred's made me go "WTF are you serious?".
Now let's talk about something (I think) everyone hated: THAT STUPID EPILOGUE. Where should I start? What about Albus Severus? I remember I read the book online when it got leaked and I SWEAR I believed the whole thing was a bad fanfic until I bought it. It's so absurd and unnecessary, I really believe it was a message for the fans, like "TAKE THAT YOU BASTARDS, NOTHING ABOUT HARRY COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET WITH DRACO AT 25 OR HERMIONE LEAVING RON FOR HIM. THEY ALL GOT MARRIED AND ARE HAPPY WITH CHILDREN WITH salsaTY NAMES WHO WERE VICTIMS OF MAGIC BULLYING DURING THEIR WHOLE LIVES". I'd seriously prefer something like what Agatha Christie did with Poirot or Arthur Conan Doyle did with Sherlock, killing them and that's it folks, no more books, that's the end, c'est finite.
To sum up: I liked some stuff. I liked Dumbledore's past, I liked Molly killing Bellatrix... well I think that's pretty much it. I hate the rest of it because I feel like it's less true to the ethos of the series than the rest of the books. I feel like JKR kind of strayed from herself as a writer, that she reacted (poorly, really poorly) to her fans, and that it reflects badly on her work. I can't really enjoy reading the book even now. It feels out of step with the rest of the series.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Aug 28, 2015 0:06:19 GMT -5
I have some more stuff to mention but I think that's enough to start with.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Aug 28, 2015 13:58:53 GMT -5
The shipping was the least thing that bothered me actually, but as part of the plot and character development it bothered me how bad Rowling dealt with it.
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Post by Teleram on Aug 28, 2015 16:41:30 GMT -5
looking back on it now my post seems even more condescending. i'll delete it.
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Post by Charles Vane on Aug 28, 2015 17:39:50 GMT -5
I actually find shipping Hermione with Harry or Ron really, really strange and weird. why? hermione and ron was the only romance i could even tolerate. i would have been fine if it was focused on less but they worked together and were cute. |
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Post by Charles Vane on Aug 28, 2015 17:42:08 GMT -5
hp is like a fairy tale, kids book, war story and melodramatic mess all put together and while i started reading it bc i was young and liked magic, i really ended up loving how dark it got and taking the tale of magic hitler and two wars and so many causalities and being like, oh hey everything turned out perfect eventually, the end, is really really dumb. It's not dumb, because it doesn't all turn out perfectly. A salsaload of people die, and the epilogue shows that there are still tensions between the Houses. The main characters are happy and life is back to normal, true, but that's not unrealistic. It's not like Germany is now a wasteland because of World War II, after all. yeah i think having everything back to normal was a mistake. i know ppl died but the epilogue is like everything is fine now! we named ppl after everyone who died who cares the end. |
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Aug 28, 2015 19:16:50 GMT -5
Also I forgot to mention that the Christian analogies were out of place. You're not C. S. Lewis JKR, don't try so hard
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Post by B. on Aug 29, 2015 13:15:35 GMT -5
I actually find shipping Hermione with Harry or Ron really, really strange and weird. why? hermione and ron was the only romance i could even tolerate. i would have been fine if it was focused on less but they worked together and were cute. no it felt too forced, and unnatural because they were like best friends/siblings and then ick |
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Post by Teleram on Aug 29, 2015 15:31:49 GMT -5
they weren't siblings (unless you meant it figuratively?)
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Post by Sophie Baudelaire on Aug 29, 2015 16:03:58 GMT -5
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