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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 6, 2007 11:44:09 GMT -5
The whole "pieces of soul" thing just seems weird to me. After all, the amount of soul you have cannot be counted or measured, just as the amount of love you have cannot be counted or measured. So no, Ineedyourhelp, I personally don't think Harry would have to lose part of his soul to make room for a piece of another, just as a parent doesn't lose love for one child when they have another child. The idea of Harry being a horcrux is somewhat plausible, but I still don't think a horcrux could be created unintentionally. On the other hand, it does seem possible that, during the creation of a horcrux, a piece of soul intended to be placed in a certain object could accidentally end up being placed inside a different object. That whole first part of your speech thing I agree with. I would think it just all adds up, and it's just... soul. It's kind of confusing, really, but... yeah. I still kind of think that a horcrux could be made unintentionally, but then I don't at the same time. It sounds confusing, but you know the feeling. Being such a powerful spell, I don't think it could, but I almost think that because Voldemort was destroyed on Halloween night, all of his powers when he was destroyed were unleashed--which could have had something to do with the destruction of the house. Maybe the spell was cast... but I dunno.
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Post by sunnygal on Jul 6, 2007 17:25:55 GMT -5
what if the sorting hat is a horcrux? i was looking over HBP and read the memory when Voldemort returned to Hogwarts asking the DADA job, and Dumbledore said that he knew Voldemort didn't actually WANT the job, and returned for some other reason, and wasn't the sorting hat once Godric's? just a theory..
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 6, 2007 18:08:42 GMT -5
Both the sorting hat and godric gryffindor's sword have been safe in Dumbledore's office for as long as he has been there, so there is no way anything of Gryffindor's is a horcrux. Dumbledore didn't seem to think so either.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 6, 2007 20:35:49 GMT -5
Yeah. There would be no way that Voldemort could ever get to them, so I, yeah. I agree with Ineedyourhelp. I think he got Hufflepuff (cup), Slytherin (locket and ring), and possibly Ravenclaw (wand). But not Gryffindor.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 6, 2007 20:44:32 GMT -5
I seem to remember that Rowling ruled out the Sorting Hat as a horcrux. I'm not sure about Griffyndor's sword, though. If one horcrux was an object kept at Hogwarts, then Harry would have to return there to destroy it, which would be a good way to get him back there.
Reason for Editing: afterthoughts
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 6, 2007 21:09:38 GMT -5
I just don't think Voldemort would have access to the sword. But yeah, if there was one at Hogwarts, it is a good way to make him go back. If Rowena's wand is horcrux, would it be kept at Hogwarts?
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 6, 2007 22:30:10 GMT -5
If it's Rowena's wand it is probably not at Hogwarts, or if it is, then it isn't a Horcrux because Dumbledore would have known if it was a horcrux if it was at Hogwarts.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 7, 2007 19:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah. Yeah, I would think Dumbledore would have known if a horcrux was at horcrux... He tends to know a lot...
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 8, 2007 14:50:36 GMT -5
That's another reason I don't think Harry is a horcrux. Dumbledore would surely have KNOWN if a horcrux was right under his nose all these years. The only reason he didn't know the necklace was a fake is because he had the peril of drinking poison surrounding him the whole time.
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 8, 2007 15:17:46 GMT -5
Yea, I believe that if Harry was a horcrux, then Dumbledore would definetely have known. I do not believe that Dumbledore just didn't get to tell him that yet becuase I also believe that Dumbledore knew he was going to die towards the end of the school year, either by Draco or Snape.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 9, 2007 19:23:52 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd go that far, but yes I think we can trust Dumbledore to know whether or not his star pupil is bearing a part of Voldemort's soul, especially since he's the one who told Harry about Voldemort transferring some powers to him.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 11, 2007 8:27:28 GMT -5
But Dumbledore has not always been one to tell Harry things right away. It took him five years of school to tell Harry about the prophecy. He tended to tell Harry things when he though he was ready--and telling Harry that he was going to have to destroy himself probably would not have made Harry's week. He would have given up on schoolwork, etc. If he knew he was going to die anyways.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 12, 2007 13:54:27 GMT -5
Telling him he'll have to destroy himself isn't far from telling him he's destined to fight the most powerful wizard in history, whereas he's a 16 year old mediocre wizard.
If he were a horcrux and Dumbledore knew he'd have surely told him as soon as harry delivered slughorn's memory.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 12, 2007 19:27:01 GMT -5
I suppose. But I just think Dumbledore would have waited a little longer to tell him if he was a horcrux. He might have waited until all the other horcruxes were destroyed.
I need to stop defending the other side...
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Post by sunnygal on Jul 12, 2007 19:41:05 GMT -5
how would Dumbledore know for sure that he's a horcrux?
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