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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on May 17, 2005 4:21:28 GMT -5
Are you insulting me? I'm highly ambidextrous AND i prefer to use my left! *Cries* *wipes non-existant tears off my dry cheeks* I'm kidding. I liked that line alot. OOT: But the best part of being left-handed is that it is proven scientifically that leftiesc live an average of 7 years more. I'm going to die an oldy! OOT: Really? Sweet! *gives little snicket lad a left-handed high five * Back on topic: There really seemed to be something significant about that part where Kevin "became a person with one hand instead of two". It was like he was suddenly a different person, much like Olivia or the Baudelaires when they went in disguise. Instead of being a whiny freak, he became evil. I wonder if all of Olaf's troupe members undergo similar changes when they decide, once and for all, to join.
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Post by Antenora on May 17, 2005 5:47:10 GMT -5
Olaf's associates joined his troupe because no one else would employ them. Joining Olaf gave them a sense of belonging; they didn't belong anywhere else.
I imagine being in the troupe makes them think of themselves as less freakish. Perhaps the bald man reasons "I may be bald, but at least I don't have hooks for hands, or look like that freakish man...woman?....androgyne."
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Post by Dante on May 17, 2005 10:48:32 GMT -5
The powder-faced women and Fernald seem to have originally joined Olaf's troupe for fun, but ended up fighting fire with fire and committing crimes. The powder-faced women regretted this, in the end, and left in TSS. Fernald, though, doesn't seem to see any other option for himself.
Also, it's worth bearing in mind that while some of the troupe members may not be freakish, as such, their behaviour might be contrary to what is normally expected by society.
Edit: Although the powder-faced women say that their home burnt down and killed their sibling, also - I think that Olaf burns down the homes of those that join him so that they have nowhere else to go. Quigley seems to support me, in TSS - he tells Carmelita not to join Olaf, as he'll burn down her house (and he says that he has evidence of this in his commonplace book).
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Post by SnicketFires on May 17, 2005 17:32:50 GMT -5
The powder-faced women and Fernald seem to have originally joined Olaf's troupe for fun, but ended up fighting fire with fire and committing crimes. The powder-faced women regretted this, in the end, and left in TSS. Fernald, though, doesn't seem to see any other option for himself. But what does Fernald see for himself now? He's found his long-lost sister, and seems to recognize the errors of his ways. Do you think he will consider leaving the troupe?
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Post by RockSunner on May 17, 2005 20:54:46 GMT -5
But what does Fernald see for himself now? He's found his long-lost sister, and seems to recognize the errors of his ways. Do you think he will consider leaving the troupe? For some reason, Fernald seems to admire Olaf. He says Olaf has a wonderful laugh (Fernald must be the only person in the world who thinks so, especially after Olaf started throwing ridiculous words and syllables into it). He also believes Olaf either did something noble in the past or is capbable of it. What could Fernald really see in Olaf? It's almost like an infatuation.
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Post by Ennui on May 17, 2005 23:22:17 GMT -5
I took that (the laugh comment) as sarcasm. Fernald seems to be bitter about pretty much everyone nowadays. But I agree-he's witnessed Olaf carrying out some noble deed...
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Post by PJ on May 19, 2005 0:08:23 GMT -5
He will no doubt desert soon enough. Unless he's more stupid than he appears. I suspect Olaf will shout/hit Fiona, and Fernald will leave with her, probably starting a new life, perhaps of crime.
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Post by Dante on May 19, 2005 0:59:21 GMT -5
I think Fernald is rather disillusioned with both sides of the schism. However, I don't think that he'll leave Olaf (unless Olaf threatens Fiona). He's still wanted by the police for arson, I suspect - and the fire-extinguishing side of the schism would probably hand him straight over to the police as well. At the moment, his only real chance is with Olaf.
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Post by Antenora on May 19, 2005 5:14:19 GMT -5
I also think Fernald will stay with Olaf for a while, because that's what seems to be safest for him. He will no doubt desert soon enough. Unless he's more stupid than he appears. I suspect Olaf will shout/hit Fiona, and Fernald will leave with her, probably starting a new life, perhaps of crime. Olaf will probably be pretty cruel to Fiona, and Fernald will grow weary of this and eventually defect. He'll try to save his sister from Olaf, and they may both end up dead as a result.
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Post by Ennui on May 19, 2005 8:38:13 GMT -5
Dante, I don't see VFD handing anyone over to the police. They would keep them imprisoned themselves. Normal police are prone to corruption and unreliabilty. If Fernald was captured by VFD, he'd be rehabilitated, locked away in secret, or murdered, depending on how volatile his captor was...but giving him to the police? Unlikely. About as likely as the Snicket File really being taken away "for official inspection".
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Post by Dante on May 19, 2005 8:54:08 GMT -5
Dante, I don't see VFD handing anyone over to the police. They would keep them imprisoned themselves. Normal police are prone to corruption and unreliabilty. If Fernald was captured by VFD, he'd be rehabilitated, locked away in secret, or murdered, depending on how volatile his captor was...but giving him to the police? Unlikely. About as likely as the Snicket File really being taken away "for official inspection". But you see, Ennui, this is not a point we can debate on - this is personal interpretation. You think one thing of V.F.D., I think another.
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Post by Ennui on May 19, 2005 9:10:06 GMT -5
Good point. But surely you don't think they'd tamely hand, say, Olaf over to easily exploited authorities once they'd got him?
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Post by Dante on May 19, 2005 9:24:43 GMT -5
Good point. But surely you don't think they'd tamely hand, say, Olaf over to easily exploited authorities once they'd got him? A fair point, but I don't know what else they'd do with him. However, I also assume that, since they seem to have volunteers everywhere, they'd have those volunteers in the police force and judiciary ensure that Olaf is put to a proper trial rather than being allowed to worm his way out of things using legal loopholes and/or knives. Edit: Whilst this is a sort of corruption in itself, the intended purpose would be the prevention of corruption.
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Post by Antenora on May 19, 2005 10:06:23 GMT -5
A fair point, but I don't know what else they'd do with him. However, I also assume that, since they seem to have volunteers everywhere, they'd have those volunteers in the police force and judiciary ensure that Olaf is put to a proper trial rather than being allowed to worm his way out of things using legal loopholes and/or knives. I agree; seeing as the police force and courts in this world are stupid and/or corrupt, VFD would have to intervene to make sure Olaf was dealt with properly, and unable to sneak out.
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Post by PJ on May 20, 2005 0:40:48 GMT -5
I think the police are pretty uncorrupted, at least in Snicket's world. I mean, they seem pretty competent enough, from what we have seen of them. I think VFD would hand over any criminals. I mean, why bother keeping information that could put Olaf, Esmé and the sinister duo away if you plan to imprison them yourselves? No, VFD would make sure they went into a goverment cell and stayed there.
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