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Post by Skalu on Feb 11, 2004 13:05:52 GMT -5
O.K. If you look at the family tree (Page 197) in TUA, we see, if I can read Family Trees correctly, E is related to J, K and L.
The only E's i know are Esmé (TEE- ) or Uncle Elwyn (TAA). If it's Esmé, she's related to the Snicket's and if it's Elwyn, the Snicket's are related to the Baudelaire's.
What do you think?
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Post by MikeG on Feb 11, 2004 14:32:36 GMT -5
If it's Elwyn it could be one of those situations where a child calls his/her parents' friends "uncle" as a sign of respect and reltive closeness with the family. Since the VFD'ers had dinners and parties with the B's parents, they would know them pretty well.
It seems like it couldn't be Esme. Wouldn't she have to be L, J and K's mother? She's too young for that it would seem.
Couldn't it be Elenora Poe? There's a whole bunch of intersting things with that theory considering she's the editor of the DP and Lemony would be her son. Interestingly, wouldn't you pass on your "skill" or profession to at least one of your children? Plus, we know she gets tied up in the basement and someone is using her name to pretend to be the editor - so it's possible she was "silenced" slightly after her son Lemony was fired.
Geting back to Esme for a second. For some odd reason she doesn't strike me as a member of VFD. Reasons: - Lemony doesn't know who she is in the Al Funcoot play - She and Beatrice know each other from the play / theatre troupe - maybe not VFD - Jerome most likely was in VFD (on the mountain with Beatice when the eagle took her away). Would he know who Esme was if they were both members? But Esme had to get some info about his martial staus and dining arrangements from Geraldine Julienne who's not in VFD (probably). - The transcript from the VFD meeting mentions E & O hiding, revealing themselves and threatening the other VFD'ers. Couldn't E not be Esme? Couldn't it be Elwyn or Elenora? Or someone else?
Anyway my theory is that she knows Olaf from the theater. She may be part of the VFD that split off from Olaf (i.e. he trained them ; ie. the henchmen). One last thought: Olaf, Esme and Beatrice were all in the theater together. Doesn't that rule out the chance that Beatrice is not related to Olaf or Esme? (consider that none of the siblings are taught the same skill or profession - Lemony/Jaques ; Quagmires; Poe's; Baudes)
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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 12, 2004 11:06:13 GMT -5
Lemony didn't know Esmé's last name (besides it being smudged in the program) because this was perhaps his first encounter with her, and he hadn't started researching the Baudelaires case.
Jerome wasn't in VFD because Jacques wrote him a letter saying that he belonged to an organization, explaining that he really wasn't a detective, and begging him not to marry Esmé. If Esmé wasn't in VFD, why would Jacques warn Jerome against Esmé?
Elenora Poe as the Snicket's mother- I never thought of that.
And Geraldine is most likley on the bad side of the schism because of her association with Olaf and her column "Secret Organizations you should know about"
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Post by Skalu on Feb 12, 2004 11:21:41 GMT -5
Thank you for your input! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by I Was Marooned on Feb 13, 2004 6:59:17 GMT -5
Lemony didn't know Esmé's last name (besides it being smudged in the program) because this was perhaps his first encounter with her, and he hadn't started researching the Baudelaires case. Jerome wasn't in VFD because Jacques wrote him a letter saying that he belonged to an organization, explaining that he really wasn't a detective, and begging him not to marry Esmé. If Esmé wasn't in VFD, why would Jacques warn Jerome against Esmé? Elenora Poe as the Snicket's mother- I never thought of that. And Geraldine is most likley on the bad side of the schism because of her association with Olaf and her column "Secret Organizations you should know about" Esme might not have been in V.F.D. originally, and met Olaf through the theater troupe or somthing. At the time she might NOT have been a V.F.Der, but circumstances might have changed and Olaf had her on his side of the schism. Another point is, if you try and follow swan's handy dandy timeline, the "E" at the meeting in LSUA could very well be Esme because it was after Lemony was fired and they are talking about G's column, SOYSKA, wich replaced Lemony's. So after he could have seen her in the play, she could have joined Olaf. It's very confusing to me.
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Post by JM on Feb 21, 2004 11:57:54 GMT -5
i think c related to ever 1 some how
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Post by Luigi on Feb 21, 2004 12:21:00 GMT -5
The tree is not relations, I don't think, but the status of people.
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Post by lemonysinlaw on Feb 22, 2004 9:39:56 GMT -5
Couldn't it be Elenora Poe? There's a whole bunch of intersting things with that theory considering she's the editor of the DP and Lemony would be her son. Interestingly, wouldn't you pass on your "skill" or profession to at least one of your children? Plus, we know she gets tied up in the basement and someone is using her name to pretend to be the editor - so it's possible she was "silenced" slightly after her son Lemony was fired. Hmm...interesting. I agree. - Jerome most likely was in VFD (on the mountain with Beatice when the eagle took her away). No offense, but I don't believe Jerome is in VFD. I think he's somewhere on the outside of the tight VFD circle. He is involved in the situations because of Esme, his wife. Couldn't E not be Esme? Couldn't it be Elwyn or Elenora? Or someone else? I never thought about that. I would think it would be Eleanora, but Snicket wanted us to think it was Esme. Red Herring and Snicket go together like B and death.
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Post by lemonysinlaw on Feb 22, 2004 9:42:27 GMT -5
E, recruited JKL, and F recruited MNO. I don't think E stands for Esme because she's either the same age or younger than the Snickets. I do think E stands for Esme in the VFD transcript though. OoOoOo!
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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 24, 2004 20:30:25 GMT -5
Your recruiting idea, swans, is a good idea. New meaning to the term "VFD Recruitment List."
Carrying on, what if A, B and C were the original founders of VFD, but a schism occured between the trio (think of what happened to the House founders in Hogwarts) Perhaps A and B wanted something different from C. So A and B start their own, new VFD = Bad side of the schism, which was always there, but wasn't recognized until Olaf joined. C recruited D, E and F because of their [insert reason] name initials, or something. Perhaps he thought it would be fun to have an organization with one person for each letter of the alphabet, A to Z. Then D, E and F were given the jobs of recruiting three new members, each with a chronological initial, and each of these people were initiated and trained, then given the same job.
A quick calculation: Three sets of correspondin initials: 9 x 3 equals 27, which is one more than the number of letters in the alphabet, hence the two Ms, Ls, etc.
Just a theory, what do you think?
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Post by Alchemist on Jun 4, 2004 0:12:06 GMT -5
Maybe D, E, and F are instructors, like C.M. Kornbluth , then they are each given three pupils to train. For example, D would be good at notetaking so he trains the Snicket family in which notetaking is probably a skill. C would probably be the one to test their skills.
The O in the tree has a sort of rope around it. Maybe like C.M. Kornbluth, they don't know Olaf's name, so they just call him O. If that's the case, then I think Olaf was hung.
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