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Post by LemonLady on Oct 23, 2003 17:23:24 GMT -5
Ive never really had the chance to discuss this with anyone outside my family. I personally think its murder no matter the circumstance. I suppose rape could be an acception, or if the baby is for sure going to die anyway, but other then those things, its still a living thing. What are everyone elses views?
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Post by Hermedy on Oct 23, 2003 17:24:11 GMT -5
A woman should have a choice. If she wants to abort, she should abort.
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Post by Spiderman on Oct 23, 2003 17:27:19 GMT -5
I think that the government shouldn't be butting in to peoples' personal lives. An abortion is a big and hard decision, and I really think that no one should be able to decide for them.
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Post by pennyroyal on Oct 23, 2003 20:26:41 GMT -5
A woman should have a choice. If she wants to abort, she should abort. I HATE this argument... you don't realize it, but to me it sounds like "People should have a choice whether or not they want to kill each other. If little Jimmy wants to slit his parent's throats, he should slit his parent's throats."
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Post by MambaduMal on Oct 23, 2003 20:32:47 GMT -5
People should realize that sex=possibility of having a baby... Most people can't grasp that concept...
If the baby or the mother is in danger of being ill or dying because of the birth, that seems to be a legitimate enough reason for killing the baby before it can feel the pain or get attached to the world.
I'm not sure about rape. Even though it doesn't give anyone a right to kill the baby, it's terribly unfair to the female whose life was interrupted by an unwanted child.
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Post by Quigley on Oct 23, 2003 22:02:13 GMT -5
Pro choice.
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Post by Pester on Oct 23, 2003 22:06:00 GMT -5
Pro-life, certainly. This is the main reason that I vote (or will vote) republican. I think that even rape shouldn't be an exception, since one's life is only being interrupted for nine months. Rape is bad, not having choices is bad, but, simply put, creating life is the purpose of the universe and a human life is sacred even if nothing has happened in this life yet. I think that anything is better than allowing a baby to be killed.
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Post by pennyroyal on Oct 23, 2003 22:26:43 GMT -5
I think that the government shouldn't be butting in to peoples' personal lives. An abortion is a big and hard decision, and I really think that no one should be able to decide for them. WTF?! So the government should stay out when it comes to abortion, but nobody cares that they "interfere with the personal lives" of murderers and rapists?
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Post by Salex_ on Oct 23, 2003 23:21:24 GMT -5
I don't like when people say that by abortion you're basically killing a baby. What difference does it make? The baby's just born then, it hardly has any feelings. Do any of us remember a bit when we're 1 month old? No, because our minds weren't developed back then.
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Post by kris on Oct 24, 2003 0:18:32 GMT -5
To Tragedy, Yes, very good. It is good to agree with God. He created us with free will, a God-given right to choose. It's just that he hopes we will choose good. Good is easy to discern. What is the highest good? Evil is easy to discern. It's usually swimming in self serving. Life doesn't have to be a tragedy. Abortion is always a tragedy. The baby gets to go right to heaven, but the mommy has to keep breathing God's air. That's really hard for her because she won't even let herself grieve. She doesn't think she deserves to. It will be her greatest regret and she won't believe that God can forgive her. That's the tragedy.
To Salex, Wow. Did you know that the latin word fetus means, little one? It does. The capacity for feelings is present as soon as a nervous system is present. That's at about 3 weeks of gestation. Our minds aren't actually developed until after puberty. Did you know that? Does that mean it's okay to kill your kid because he's not "done"? Maybe. You lack the greatest reality. God loves you. He formed you in your mother's womb. He knows every infinitesimile detail about you. Human life is sacred. Little babies deserve to be born. Sometimes they can't be. and that's sad. But they really are little tiny people who have feelings. I have consulted my crystal ball and conclude that your parents didn't really give a salsa about your feelings. Wow. How did I know that. God cares about your feelings. He did when you were just a little squirt who was unnourished emotionally. He has an incredible plan for you. I hope you discover it.
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Post by Tay Sachs on Oct 24, 2003 0:32:35 GMT -5
*looks up with wide eyes at her big sister's very long, rather unexpectedly long post* glad I signed off before she made that one.
Anyway. My feelings on the matter. I agree with Kris to some extent. Abortion is never the easy choice, never a happy choice to make. But sometimes, sad, terrible things happen in this world. I have never ever looked on anyone who had an abortion as less than, or bad or wicked. I watched my best friend go through one after she accidentally concieved, and the pain she suffered when she knew she would never carry that baby to term normally, and if she did, because of her health it would paralyze her from the waist down at best, and kill her at worst. For the most part, most women aren't thrilled about having an abortion. It's a sad, painful, emotionally exhausting thing to do. But Salex, to say a full term baby has no feelings is not only harsh but medically innacurate as well. A premature baby born and kept alive in an ancubator can respond to her mother's touch, it feels cold, pain, fear. The reason you don't remember your infancy is not because you "don't have feelings" but because the neural connections that form long term memory are not yet formed. Your brain's still working on "If I lift my hand it'll hit me in the face". And as for your other comment, the baby is not "just born then". The baby is never "born" during an abortion, save for partial birth, which i will not get into here, but it's a gruesome procedure, (while I'm not for banning abortion in general, PB is just sick and barbaric, and I'm glad it's being banned) anyway, during abortion the fetus is destroyed before it's ever "born". And would you allow someone to bludgeon their dog to death simply because it "doesn't have feelings?" That would be animal cruelty.
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Post by Tay Sachs on Oct 24, 2003 1:39:14 GMT -5
I had another friend, a man, whose girlfriend had gone ahead and aborted their child without his say-so until after the fact. He grieved that thing as hard as if she haad given birth to it and it had died afterward.
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Post by Vacuum Pot on Oct 24, 2003 13:00:47 GMT -5
Abortion is murder. If somebody is immoral enough to have a baby out of wedlock, their punnishment SHOULD be to carry a baby. Rape? They should still carry a baby... I hate those stupid 15 year old girls that have a pierced nose, tounge, lips, and eyelids that go and say "It's mah choice! Pllbbtt plbbt mahn thees things mak it had to taak." Rednecks.
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Post by Hermedy on Oct 24, 2003 13:01:48 GMT -5
If a woman is raped she shouldn't have to have the child. That's just not right.
But even beyond that I'm pro-choice.
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Post by Vacuum Pot on Oct 24, 2003 13:04:20 GMT -5
Just because you've gotten raped, you get to murder some one?
OMG LOL OGM LOL I SHOULD GET RAPED SO I CAN GO ON A KILLING SPREE!!!!!!!! OMG LOL
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