Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Oct 21, 2004 7:33:11 GMT -5
I agree, BSam, that progressive churches are a good thing. I do think anyone should be able to marry but right now civil unions seem like a loop hole. People will have a problem with that too but its a start. I'm not sure: What is the difference between a civil union and a marriage, or are they basically synonymous? Although marriages certainly can be connected to a specific religion, I don't think they have to be religiously based. Let's get a dictionary definition of marriage, to clarify this a bit: Main Entry: mar·riage Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij Function: noun Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry 1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage 2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities 3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross> www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=marriageIt doesn't mention religion, but dictionaries aren't always a perfect reflection of the language.
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Post by DrSeuss the 1st white rapper on Oct 21, 2004 9:52:37 GMT -5
I'm replying to Luke. Luke should every church just through away the ten commandents? And just change? And do whatever they please? No, they shouldn't. I have a problem with (some) Catholic churches that are rewriting the bible.
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Post by Vince Noir on Oct 21, 2004 13:39:54 GMT -5
I am for gay marriage because i dont really see what is wrong with homosexualls. Its up to them if they want to like someone of the same sex and its not up to anyone else to critisise. Although, reading your point Dr seus, i kinda see what you mean. Im not a christian but it is a good point. Although i do still beieve in Gay marriage because as a said i dont see whats wrong with it. I really dont like the way that the word gay has become an insult such as " Oh Sam, stop being so gay" I was trying yo explain to someone the other day why homophobia is a bad thing but he said that people were made to create babies and carry on the generations of their famillies and human kind and as homosexuals cannot have children, they are therefore wrong and different. I dont really agree with that but it is a fair point.
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 21, 2004 15:13:29 GMT -5
I agree, BSam, that progressive churches are a good thing. I'm not sure: What is the difference between a civil union and a marriage, or are they basically synonymous? Although marriages certainly can be connected to a specific religion, I don't think they have to be religiously based. Let's get a dictionary definition of marriage, to clarify this a bit: Main Entry: mar·riage Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij Function: noun Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry 1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage 2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities 3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross> www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=marriageIt doesn't mention religion, but dictionaries aren't always a perfect reflection of the language. I'm not exactly sure either but with civil unions, homosexuals can get benefits like visting their spouse in the hospital and taxes and such. Civil union is a government thing while marriage is more a religious thing though we don't really consider it that way sometimes.
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Post by Dante on Oct 21, 2004 15:54:59 GMT -5
I have a problem with (some) Catholic churches that are rewriting the bible. Oh, please. Christianity has always been based on different translations and interpretations of the Bible. Kobolos probably knows better than me, but it's probably already been majorly rewritten several times in the distant past.
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Post by DrSeuss the 1st white rapper on Oct 21, 2004 16:03:55 GMT -5
You're right, words have been changed, most bibles are different but it still has the same message. And no, the bible has never really been rewritten, as in changing that gay is ok, and murder isn't bad if you defend yourself. The fact is, Catholic churches (some) go by how they feel.
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 21, 2004 16:07:14 GMT -5
You're right, words have been changed, most bibles are different but it still has the same message. And no, the bible has never really been rewritten, as in changing that gay is ok, and murder isn't bad if you defend yourself. The fact is, Catholic churches (some) go by how they feel. Did you know that in the same place it says men should not lie with other men it says you shouldn't use cloth?
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Post by DrSeuss the 1st white rapper on Oct 21, 2004 16:09:59 GMT -5
Where? In the bible? If so give page, ect.
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 21, 2004 16:18:24 GMT -5
Where? In the bible? If so give page, ect. Ha. Page number? Do you know why that wouldn't work or do I need to explain it to you? I know its in Leviticus, and it lists all these silly rules. The point was that the things in the bible are the rules of that time. And whats happened is that people have picked certain ones they liked and ignored the rest. Like, people eating shrimp. www.godhatesshrimp.com We've moved past the times many of these rules were created for. Plus, if you're going strictly on the bible, then you should be aware you have nothing against lesbians.
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Post by Alice Wilde on Oct 21, 2004 16:31:30 GMT -5
No, the president has no right to stop gay marriage. It is a free country, and people have the right to marry and divorce whomever they choose.
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Post by DrSeuss the 1st white rapper on Oct 21, 2004 17:01:50 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read the bible, then say well I like this rule but not that one. And if it said you shouldn't wear clothes (which I asume you're using in the wrong context) it was before sin (adam and eve)
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Post by Soidanae on Oct 21, 2004 17:16:42 GMT -5
The bible is not infallible.
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Antenora
Detriment Deleter
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Post by Antenora on Oct 21, 2004 18:48:32 GMT -5
Ha. Page number? Do you know why that wouldn't work or do I need to explain it to you? I know its in Leviticus, and it lists all these silly rules. The point was that the things in the bible are the rules of that time. And whats happened is that people have picked certain ones they liked and ignored the rest. Like, people eating shrimp. www.godhatesshrimp.com We've moved past the times many of these rules were created for. Plus, if you're going strictly on the bible, then you should be aware you have nothing against lesbians. I agree that the rules in Leviticus are outdated. If memory serves, the "cloth" thing has to do with wearing garments made from two kinds of cloth(ie: cotton-polyester blend, although I doubt they had that in Biblical times.), not with wearing clothes in general. There's also a prohibition against growing two kinds of crops in the same field, and the shellfish thing. GodHatesShrimp is a rather interesting site. Thanks for the information on "civil unions".
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Post by embah on Oct 22, 2004 0:56:01 GMT -5
How is it bad to let people show what they feel? Surely denying the right to open freedom of emotion is bad? How does it make it bad that others see it as bad? Does this mean that society should conform along with each other so that nothing bad happens? Bad, opposite of good, so help me here, what is the good, freedom, and therefore the bad is captivity This dosent work in all situations but here it does. The captivity version of this would be to tell people that freedom of emotion is wrong and how it that wrong? Anyone who can think of a ecent anwer for all the questions gets a suprise. (HaHa primary school teacher.) I don't think that people should have to hide their true emotions and feelings, but I guess the 'bad' thing about gay marriage (i'm for it by the way, i'm just pointing this out), is the affect it would have on society. I for one think gay marriages are good, but if i was against it, I'd be pretty mad about it being legalised wouldn't I? so the public who disagree with it would start such a controversial and outraged arguement/protest against it that it would 1) maybe change people's minds and turn them against it 2) it would make gays/lesbians afraid to show their true feelings and 3) start up such an angry arguement that it could get violent for some people. I hope that it is legalised and that gays/lesbians do get to marry one another but if i was against it, i would be mad as hell. these sorts of disputes cause such chaos for countries and individuals, so who knows what it could lead to.
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Post by no-one on Oct 22, 2004 18:30:31 GMT -5
I'm replying to Luke. Luke should every church just through away the ten commandents? And just change? And do whatever they please? No, they shouldn't. I have a problem with (some) Catholic churches that are rewriting the bible. please call me Sam or BSam, luke is the name of my dead friend... 1st Commandment: HAVE NO OTHER GODS 2nd Commandment: DO NOT MAKE IDOLS 3rd Commandment: DO NOT TAKE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN 4th Commandment: KEEP THE SABBATH DAY 5th Commandment: HONOR YOUR PARENTS 6th Commandment: DO NOT KILL 7th Commandment: DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY 8th Commandment: DO NOT STEAL 9th Commandment: DO NOT FALSELY ACCUSE 10th Commandment: DO NOT COVET yes, i can see the arguments against gay people now
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