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May 9, 2012 12:32:41 GMT -5
Post by Snicketeer234 on May 9, 2012 12:32:41 GMT -5
Today's email from Lemony says:
Books are like libraries - if you see one open, you cannot help disappearing inside.
But the portion of the email I found intriguing is the subject line. When I saw 804.1, I immediately thought Dewey Decimal System. And when I looked what the 804s referenced, I knew I was in the right place. The 804 section is "Not assigned or no longer used." Is it just me or does this sound perfect for VFD-related books and documents. Well done, Lemony, well done.
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May 9, 2012 12:50:50 GMT -5
Post by Fiona Fanboy on May 9, 2012 12:50:50 GMT -5
Ya know, I was just about to start a topic on today's e-mail when I saw this. Anyway, the Dewey Decimal analogy suggests a possible return of the Hotel Denouement.
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May 9, 2012 12:57:46 GMT -5
Post by B. on May 9, 2012 12:57:46 GMT -5
For reference- Yes it does seem to be connected to the Dewey Decimal system.
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May 9, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
Post by Dante on May 9, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
I think we're all on the same page here, so to speak - I immediately (well, in a few seconds) thought of the Dewey Decimal system as well and made the same discovery. What can be hidden in an unused classification? Something that only somebody who knows the Dewey Decimal system very well deserves to look at, I should say. I wonder if this means we'll get any forward references to Dewey, or if it's all just part of the general pattern of signification in Snicket. I'd be uncomfortable about the Hotel Denouement being in ATWQ, though - partly as we've been there, partly as the BBRE suggests that it was only constructed post-TBB, and while TPP itself gives the impression that that's unlikely, I'd prefer not to outright contradict any more foreshadowing in ASoUE, no matter how ambiguous it ever was.
Edit: Also, they will confound our attempts to predict dates and times of their e-mails, won't they? Perhaps that's as it should be.
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May 9, 2012 14:14:23 GMT -5
Post by Raquel on May 9, 2012 14:14:23 GMT -5
The .1 in 804.1 means poetry, though. It makes me wonder if we're having something like Isadora's couplets...
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May 9, 2012 14:19:30 GMT -5
Post by Christmas Chief on May 9, 2012 14:19:30 GMT -5
As soon as I read Snicketeer234's post mentioning the Dewey Decimal System, I thought back to the days when I memorized a good chunk of the system because of TPP. For those who haven't checked, the 800s is dedicated to literature, with the first 10 places being assigned specifically to literature, rhetoric, and criticism. Given this, we can probably make a guess on what 804 might be; we know Lemony himself was a student of rhetoric.
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May 9, 2012 16:44:01 GMT -5
Post by Hermes on May 9, 2012 16:44:01 GMT -5
I wonder if this means we'll get any forward references to Dewey, or if it's all just part of the general pattern of signification in Snicket. I'd be uncomfortable about the Hotel Denouement being in ATWQ, though - partly as we've been there, partly as the BBRE suggests that it was only constructed post-TBB, and while TPP itself gives the impression that that's unlikely, I'd prefer not to outright contradict any more foreshadowing in ASoUE, no matter how ambiguous it ever was. I don't think there needs to be any reference to the person Dewey. But even if the visible hotel was built after TBB, we know that Dewey was practising the trade of a sub-sub-librarian as early as the time of Violet's birth.
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May 9, 2012 19:19:26 GMT -5
Post by KlausBaudelaire833 on May 9, 2012 19:19:26 GMT -5
I thought at first the subject is some sort of unusual code, then Snicketeer reminded me that it's a Dewey Decimal code. It's a very intriging conclusion.
And I don't think the decimal code would lead us to Isadora's couplets. Remember this series takes place before the Baudelaires and (correct me if I'm wrong) the Quagmires were even born.
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May 9, 2012 22:10:00 GMT -5
Post by Fiona Fanboy on May 9, 2012 22:10:00 GMT -5
Maybe this is the Mortmain Mountain headquarters library before those 2 burned it down. Remember, the world is quiet here.
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May 9, 2012 22:21:12 GMT -5
Post by Kensicle on May 9, 2012 22:21:12 GMT -5
I'm quite surprised that we got another promotion; I thought they had finished. A few points - 1. The promotions are probably weekly, with two weeks separating each cycle. 2. The tint of this picture has more of a green hue than the other promotions - maybe each cycle has a different colour? 3. The subject line isn't a question. Nor was "It's for thee". It doesn't strike me as a wrong answer either. Ugh, I've got to go now. EDIT: Back again now. 4. Has anybody realised that the sum of the digits in 804.1 equals 13?
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May 10, 2012 3:03:51 GMT -5
Post by Dante on May 10, 2012 3:03:51 GMT -5
I'm quite surprised that we got another promotion; I thought they had finished. Well, there was never really any indication of that. It's just that they aren't necessarily weekly any more. The subject line here is clearly more in the vein of "It's for thee," so if we have any theory about cycles, we should take that into account, but I think it's perhaps more likely that we're thinking about this harder than they have. Similarly, I think we can overread the importance of wrongness in questions and the presence of answers in these subject lines. They are information which pertains to the contents of the book, but there's no indication that there's anything wrong about them. This, on the other hand, is probably exactly why the number is .1 rather than .anything else.
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May 10, 2012 4:34:24 GMT -5
Post by B. on May 10, 2012 4:34:24 GMT -5
On the image itself: What appears to be going on in the upper right corner? Looks like someone escaping to me. And what is with the book ontop of the actual shelf?
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May 10, 2012 6:31:11 GMT -5
Post by Kensicle on May 10, 2012 6:31:11 GMT -5
The figure in the upper right corner is quite suspicious to me too. (But anyone with an upturned collar is suspicious, for me.) He seems to be heading towards a side of a shelf or a door, I can't really tell, although I think it's more the former. When I first saw him I thought that it was Lemony, however if he's going to be thirteen in this series that won't be the case. The figure certainly looks villainous, though I don't think it's Notro. As for the book, I imagine it's there just for looks, the top of the shelf is a bit empty, although with these things you can never be sure if something's important or not.
We probably shouldn't look to closely at it, then. EDIT: We shouldn't look at the .1 too closely, that is.
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May 10, 2012 7:56:48 GMT -5
Post by Dante on May 10, 2012 7:56:48 GMT -5
I hate to put a damper on speculation, but I'm pretty confident that the figure in the upper-right is just background detail. I'm not sure there's anything to get too excited about in an undetailed barely-in-shot person wearing a generic coat in a library.
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May 10, 2012 10:40:27 GMT -5
Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on May 10, 2012 10:40:27 GMT -5
Yeah, if it weren't for the hand holding a book in the lower left corner and the figured'd be alone in the picture, this person might indeed have some significance. But with the bookholding hand in the other corner, those two details are probably just an indication that the library is actually being used, in contrast to the 804 meaning "Not assigned or no longer used." This might mean that the library is "no longer used" by the public, but still used in all secrecy by the VFD. I also love how 804 is in the Dewey Decimal System right before "Serial publications" (805) and "Organizations" (806).
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