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Jun 19, 2013 14:53:33 GMT -5
Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 19, 2013 14:53:33 GMT -5
I think what Anka means is 'What happens when I think something is fair and other people think the opposite is fair?' Yes, that was what I meant. I also think nobody understood my murder post like I meant it.
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Jun 19, 2013 14:57:29 GMT -5
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Post by soufflé on Jun 19, 2013 14:57:29 GMT -5
Activism is a way of people sharing their views publicly. If no one did this, then there wouldn't be much way to form compromise between some of the myriad opinions out there. So if you want people to make things more fair for you or to take your ideas into consideration, you need to do something to show what your views are.
Or else we could end up with a society like the one in 1984.
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Jun 19, 2013 14:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by soufflé on Jun 19, 2013 14:57:59 GMT -5
And I'm wearing black lace Toms.
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Jun 19, 2013 15:08:00 GMT -5
Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 19, 2013 15:08:00 GMT -5
Activism is a way of people sharing their views publicly. If no one did this, then there wouldn't be much way to form compromise between some of the myriad opinions out there. So if you want people to make things more fair for you or to take your ideas into consideration, you need to do something to show what your views are. Or else we could end up with a society like the one in 1984. That's true, but it might be to much if everyone is an activist, because then it would be a big chaos and difficult to find a compromise. I'm wearing yellow socks and white warm socks with purple dots. I know it's summer, but not in my room.
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Jun 19, 2013 15:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by soufflé on Jun 19, 2013 15:18:31 GMT -5
Ah I get you. The theory of hyperpluralism. Well I think that there are ways to avoid this situation. I don't want to explain the American government system, but have you read the federalist number 10? Yeah, that's what I mean. Ya dig
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Jun 19, 2013 15:23:35 GMT -5
Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 19, 2013 15:23:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I know nothing about American politics :)I just think if everyone would go and fight for whatever they want it would be hard to control.
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Jun 19, 2013 16:06:28 GMT -5
Post by B. on Jun 19, 2013 16:06:28 GMT -5
But then that's why people with your views on this subject exist, right?
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Post by Rellim on Jun 19, 2013 16:33:47 GMT -5
"Fair" is an interesting concept. So much of it has to do with an individual's perception. I think that in many cases people who are opposed to whatever particular cause activists are working towards have their perception clouded by privilege. It's easy to think others are overreacting when the issue or the system puts you on the privileged side, and recognizing your privilege is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
It's like white people who think racism doesn't exist anymore. I mean, all races can sit wherever they want on the bus, they all share the same bathrooms, and in most interracial interactions no slurs or overt racial insults are said. However, racism is ingrained so deeply in the way we simply perceive others, and that is shown subtly through our behaviors. Most people are likely to assume that a random black individual is less educated and more likely to commit a crime than a random white individual. It's not something done consciously and you have to look for it intentionally to even notice it. Same with reading academic articles. Most people will automatically assume it was written by a male rather than a female, even if they don't consider themselves sexist. It's just that sexism is built into our consciousness. But, as a white person, I don't experience those small microaggressions (such as people moving away from you, assuming you're not smart, following you around a store, etc) that black people have to deal with every day, even from people who don't realize they're doing it and may be very supportive of racial equality. So from a privileged perspective it would seem like people of all races living happily together and those black people are just being overly dramatic, but from their perspective you realize that things still really aren't fair.
Example: Being a white, average looking female, I have the privilege by my appearance alone of others not assuming I'm going to commit a crime. -I have quite a heavy foot while driving but I have only been pulled over twice for speeding, both times while I had a black companion in my front seat. The only time I got a speeding ticket was when it was a black male. I don't see these as coincidental. -The only time I have been asked to step aside to be searched after leaving a store was when I spent a moderate amount of time (10-15 minutes) at a store with a Venezuelan friend with dreadlocks and neither of us bought anything. I had spent longer amounts of times in the same store with all white female friends and had never before had an issue. -I was originally going to type that I had the privilege of others not assuming I'm going to commit a crime unless it was witnessed, but them remembered last spring I locked my bike up at the grocery store and then lost the key. So I went home and came back with a handsaw and sawed through the cable. At least four people walked in or out of the store at the time, watched me sawing the lock off, but didn't appear alarmed and didn't say anything. So I still had the benefit of the doubt even as I was doing something criminal.
So, though everything might seem fair from my perspective, is it really fair that most nonwhite people aren't given the same benefit of the doubt? I believe that's not fair at all, so it's a cause I'm willing to work for by opening dialogue with others about these issues. However, the first thing that has to be done is to show others that their privileged "fair" experience is not the experience of everyone.
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Jun 19, 2013 22:07:36 GMT -5
Post by soufflé on Jun 19, 2013 22:07:36 GMT -5
You said it Betsy
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 20, 2013 5:01:54 GMT -5
I think life is unfair for everyone. But sometimes we should just see what we have and not always focus on what we don't have.
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Post by B. on Jun 20, 2013 6:47:50 GMT -5
Yes, nevermind people who'd make racist and hurtful comments towards my siblings and I considering the fact we're mixed race. At least we have a roof over our heads.
Get real.
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Jun 20, 2013 6:51:31 GMT -5
Post by B. on Jun 20, 2013 6:51:31 GMT -5
Also, I am wearing black tights and school pumps.
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Post by BSam on Jun 20, 2013 7:15:26 GMT -5
I think life is unfair for everyone. But sometimes we should just see what we have and not always focus on what we don't have. I think we should strive to make life as fair as possible for as many people as we are able. Not just those who can afford it.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 20, 2013 7:27:35 GMT -5
Yes, nevermind people who'd make racist and hurtful comments towards my siblings and I considering the fact we're mixed race. At least we have a roof over our heads. Get real. If there were no comments you would find the next thing to complain about. And people would find other things to make hurtful comments. There have been so many hurtful comments on me and other white people, because maybe they had pimples or their clothes were not expensive enough or their nose had a strange shape or they played the violin or they were too fat or too skinny or not able to run fast.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jun 20, 2013 7:29:40 GMT -5
There will always be something for people to find to use against you.
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