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Post by bandit on Jul 6, 2015 18:01:59 GMT -5
Well, haven't people already said there are references to TGG, TPP, and TE (which all came out after the movie)? So, there you go.
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Post by Skelly Craig on Jul 6, 2015 18:09:50 GMT -5
Yes, I was just addressing the remark from Netflix (and/or websites reporting of the teaser's fakeness) that it is "footage is from the 2004 Jim Carrey film", which it clearly is not.
I don't know why people are dispairing over the revelation that it's fake, though; Even if it were real, it would have been just hype material, since production hasn't started yet. All it means is that the series' production will be a bit later, rather than sooner. For the time being we can all appreciate this magnificent fan/non-fan demo showreel.
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Post by Strangely on Jul 6, 2015 19:04:31 GMT -5
I don't know why there is this debate anymore tbh. Multiple sources have spoken to Netflix and they've repeatedly said that it's not their work. It's also been shown that high quality fan trailers have been made before (perhaps by the same designer who did this). And there's a huge difference between ASOUE's "don't read this!" shtick and a company flat out saying "this is not the trailer for our series." It is awesome fanart, but can we please stop debating?  I think debate on this subject is valid though. The quote from the Netflix rep is "This was not released from Netflix and not anything official." But that doesn't rule out other possibilities. This could have been perpetrated by Netflix. They could have hired a third party to make a teaser just to drum up hype. Then again they may not. To me it seems suspicious that the creator of this fake hasn't come forward, and the statement from Netflix and Snicket himself are a bit vague. I think there is room for discussion as a result. Right now I'm purely in the middle on this. It could be absolutely fake or it could all be a deceptive marketing ploy. After all in this day and age studios lie to us all the time. The studio behind Batman Arkham Knight lied to us about a certain characters identity, Star Trek Into Darkness was deceptive and there are many other incidents of lying to the audience. So while it seems fake for now there is other possibilities. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 7, 2015 2:51:17 GMT -5
Yes, I was just addressing the remark from Netflix (and/or websites reporting of the teaser's fakeness) that it is "footage is from the 2004 Jim Carrey film", which it clearly is not. It's worth noting that one widely-circulated reupload of the trailer used a still from the 2004 movie as its thumbnail. |
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Post by Cafe SalMONAlla on Jul 7, 2015 5:02:06 GMT -5
Hope: that it will be as detailed as the fan made trailer. Or better yet, that the trailer-making fans will get hired.
Also, racially diverse casting. We're not in any particular country with this material.
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Post by Skelly Craig on Jul 7, 2015 10:13:59 GMT -5
I'd really like the filmmakers to use Brett Helquist's illustrations as guides though. They're a very important part of ASoUE and ignoring that would be a mistake.
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Post by Dante on Jul 7, 2015 11:14:08 GMT -5
Fortunately, there are plenty of characters Helquist didn't illustrate, which would give them a lot of room for manoeuvre even if they did strictly abide by the content of the illustrations.
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Post by gliquey on Jul 7, 2015 13:48:13 GMT -5
TGG, TPP, and TE (which all came out after the movie)? Ah, somehow I missed that incredibly obvious point. I was assuming that people referring to later books were meaning "this can't be from the movie because the movie only went up to TWW", but of course, anything to do with the movie couldn't have referenced TPP because it didn't exist then. |
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Post by mokafuzz on Jul 7, 2015 14:59:48 GMT -5
I want to preface this by stating that the film did a dastardly job of an adaptation, but if Netflix does it right, some changes cmay be fitting. It is never really made for certain, how far into the future Snicket is writing from. That is, how long before conducting his research did the Baudelaire fire take place? Netflix could very smoothly attribute changes, small or large, to the faulty research of Snicket or his unreliable narration ( could be due to age, bias, or many other factors). Additionally, if Netflix does it well, inconsistency could be very fitting to the narrative.
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Post by Dante on Jul 7, 2015 16:35:34 GMT -5
I think quite a few of us would find some smoothing-out of the narrative's inconsistencies quite acceptable.
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Post by Teleram on Jul 11, 2015 20:11:32 GMT -5
So who do you think would do a good job as director, Dante?
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Post by MisterM on Jul 12, 2015 2:33:33 GMT -5
yeah, he'd be good
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Post by zakeno on Aug 23, 2015 12:10:20 GMT -5
I think it may take some fiddling to get the plot to work as a television series for sure- although certainly less fiddling than the film (thank goodness), and hopefully a good deal less meddling as well. Do you think it'll be a 22 minute or 45 minute episode format? I find myself hoping they'll allow each episode the full 45 minutes- but often with series for 'younger' audience they try to keep episodes shorter. I'm not sure if they'll categorize this in that way, but since it is technically a children's series I could absolutely see some executive saying 'No! Children can't think in more than 30-minute intervals! Absurd!' Still, I'm hopeful that since this is Netflix they'll allow it to have longer episodes.
I'm definitely in the boat of hoping for a good deal of racial and other diversity. I'm really, horrendously worried about how they'll handle the troupe member who looks neither like a man or a woman, for example. I never liked how the books portrayed this person's gender as a horrifying thing so I'm hoping Netflix doesn't do the same thing and make them look monstrous or something, or at least have another gender non-conforming character to counterbalance the fact. They've done well with trans characters in the past (OITNB and Sense8 both have nice tranwomen characters) but it boils down to director and writer decision, so I'm still a bit worried.
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Post by Hermes on Aug 23, 2015 12:43:02 GMT -5
The 'neither man nor woman' character is certainly tricky. I think what happens later makes more sense of their character, by showing that Olaf is recruiting 'freakish' people, but is also trying to make them feel freakish in order to recruit them. But unfortunately they are dead before this happens.
Have you read File Under 13? Because that has a character of no declared gender who is handled perfectly sympathetically - I wonder if DH was trying to make up for his earlier treatment of the issue.
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Post by zakeno on Aug 23, 2015 13:38:58 GMT -5
The 'neither man nor woman' character is certainly tricky. I think what happens later makes more sense of their character, by showing that Olaf is recruiting 'freakish' people, but is also trying to make them feel freakish in order to recruit them. But unfortunately they are dead before this happens. Have you read File Under 13? Because that has a character of no declared gender who is handled perfectly sympathetically - I wonder if DH was trying to make up for his earlier treatment of the issue. Yes I have, although my recollection of that character is very vague despite a recent read, so I assume they were a pretty minor townsperson? Nonetheless, and if that was DH's intention, good on him! That makes me a bit more hopeful that this character will be handled better in the netflix series, but I'm constantly worried, because nonbinary characters tend to not exist aside from monstrous portrayals, and that character is certainly monstrous so I'm not sure how they can really fix the issue without some intense (but quite necessary) tweaking. This is a very specific thing for me to be concerned about, though, and overall I'm very excited for the series and very optimistic on how it will unfold. The 'fanmade' teaser looked very promising, and all the shenanigans surrounding it make me feel quite hopeful for a marvelous adaptation. |
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