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Post by Dante on Jul 22, 2018 7:18:53 GMT -5
My copy of Guys Read: Heroes & Villains arrived just now, and I have read Snicket's "The Hero of the Story." I can confirm that while it is technically possible to infer that the story takes place shortly after ATWQ - in the sense that Snicket himself is the protagonist, he is thirteen years old, and he is currently on his own - then this has nothing to do with the story, and the story itself has nothing to do with the Averse.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jul 22, 2018 12:15:19 GMT -5
Seeing the title I was hoping it might be an essay on something akin to Joseph Campbell's monomyth/hero's journey (as it's related to a paper I'm currently writing), but a new Snicket short story sounds good, too. Too bad I have no interest in the rest of the Guys Read book, and not buying it just for the one story.
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Post by Dante on Jul 22, 2018 12:42:33 GMT -5
I couldn't tell you whether it was worth buying the collection for one story. Literally, I couldn't tell you; I've just read Snicket's entry so far. It's a good story, a typically strange story, and if you look at it right then some of its moral reflections have added resonance from the conclusion of ATWQ - but I would very much denote it "technically canon." (You might find it personally interesting, Terry Craig, as it does contain reflections on the nature of heroism with specific reference to classical heroic narratives, though this being Snicket it then goes on to subvert them.)
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Post by Teleram on Jul 22, 2018 23:59:04 GMT -5
What other Snicket-related works would you denote as merely "technically" canon?
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Post by Reba on Jul 23, 2018 1:06:07 GMT -5
lol i remember guys read. loling right now
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 23, 2018 3:13:02 GMT -5
Hi all!
1. Thank you, I'll look into those Daily Punchillios, they seem very intriguing.
2. As for this short story, I'll have a look into it. Would you say that in Snicket's general style, it leaves a lot of mystery? I'll still read it even if it isn't Averse, as like the picture books and Horseradish, Snicket must have written it at some point in his life. I see Dante talked about it being "technically" canon, what else could be classed as that?
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 23, 2018 5:13:59 GMT -5
I'm definitely interested in that Guys Read story, and I'm surprised that an original story by Lemony Snicket, canon to the Averse, has not been discussed more on this forum. The book isn't very expensive on BookDepository, but its general style looks a bit unappealing to me. Dante , how long is Snicket's story, and do you think it's worth getting the book for it? Also, I'm pleased to see that the book's editor is one J. Scieszka. A kind editor, perhaps?
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 23, 2018 6:48:17 GMT -5
I'm definitely interested in that Guys Read story, and I'm surprised that an original story by Lemony Snicket, canon to the Averse, has not been discussed more on this forum. The book isn't very expensive on BookDepository, but its general style looks a bit unappealing to me. Dante , how long is Snicket's story, and do you think it's worth getting the book for it? Also, I'm pleased to see that the book's editor is one J. Scieszka. A kind editor, perhaps? MIND BLOWN! OK, so here's what we have so far: ATWQ 1-2, File Under, ATWQ 3-4, The Hero of the Story, TBL Part 1, The Composer is Dead, Horseradish V1, TDD, TBB-TWW, 2004 movie, Behind the Scenes with Count Olaf, TPP V1, TMM-TCC, TUA, The Baby in the Manager, TSS, TPP V2, TGG, TBB:RE notes, The Lump of Coal, TPP, Noisy Outlaws, 13 Secrets, TE, Netflix series 1-2, Incomplete History, Netflix series 3, Horseradish V2, TBL Part 2. Thoughts?
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Post by Dante on Jul 23, 2018 7:22:20 GMT -5
What other Snicket-related works would you denote as merely "technically" canon? Maybe 29 Myths on the Swinster Pharmacy, but it's really only a category that occurs to me as necessary for "The Hero of the Story". What I'm trying to imply with that is that its Averse-canonicity is both indisputable and inconsequential; it slots in perfectly and obviously, but it refers to nothing and nothing refers to it. I'm definitely interested in that Guys Read story, and I'm surprised that an original story by Lemony Snicket, canon to the Averse, has not been discussed more on this forum. The book isn't very expensive on BookDepository, but its general style looks a bit unappealing to me. Dante , how long is Snicket's story, and do you think it's worth getting the book for it? Well, we didn't know it was Averse-canon until now. The story is about twenty-five pages long and stylistically very much a Snicket work. As to whether it's worth getting the entire collection, I'm currently taking my time with it and can't give you a full review. If you can get the book for not very much money and are interested in the story, then be my guest - but you should not have high expectations of it just because it is "canon." It's a good story, but it would probably have worked without Snicket as the protagonist. Edit: Good luck getting a copy of The Baby in the Manger; only a few dozen copies were ever produced and they weren't distributed through conventional publication channels. The only place I've ever seen one was in an eBay auction a few years ago. I also wouldn't worry about including The Composer is Dead, The Lump of Coal, and especially not Noisy Outlaws; while enjoyable texts, they're well outside the continuity. The Puzzling Puzzles revised edition contains all the content from the original, so I don't know if there's any point in obtaining and reading both.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 23, 2018 7:47:18 GMT -5
What other Snicket-related works would you denote as merely "technically" canon? Maybe 29 Myths on the Swinster Pharmacy, but it's really only a category that occurs to me as necessary for "The Hero of the Story". What I'm trying to imply with that is that its Averse-canonicity is both indisputable and inconsequential; it slots in perfectly and obviously, but it refers to nothing and nothing refers to it. I'm definitely interested in that Guys Read story, and I'm surprised that an original story by Lemony Snicket, canon to the Averse, has not been discussed more on this forum. The book isn't very expensive on BookDepository, but its general style looks a bit unappealing to me. Dante , how long is Snicket's story, and do you think it's worth getting the book for it? Well, we didn't know it was Averse-canon until now. The story is about twenty-five pages long and stylistically very much a Snicket work. As to whether it's worth getting the entire collection, I'm currently taking my time with it and can't give you a full review. If you can get the book for not very much money and are interested in the story, then be my guest - but you should not have high expectations of it just because it is "canon." It's a good story, but it would probably have worked without Snicket as the protagonist. Edit: Good luck getting a copy of The Baby in the Manger; only a few dozen copies were ever produced and they weren't distributed through conventional publication channels. The only place I've ever seen one was in an eBay auction a few years ago. I also wouldn't worry about including The Composer is Dead, The Lump of Coal, and especially not Noisy Outlaws; while enjoyable texts, they're well outside the continuity. The Puzzling Puzzles revised edition contains all the content from the original, so I don't know if there's any point in obtaining and reading both. OK, I'll abandon The Baby in the Manger, after all, I don't really want to be pulling all-nighters trying to find expensive copies. As for Composer, Coal etc, there's a reason for this. Say if there's Timeline A, otherwise known as the Averse, and Timeline B, set in the Averse, but in which Lemony becomes a childrens' author in his spare time. I'm trying to operate from Timeline B, and thus cover these books somehow. RE TPP, I just checked and saw only the movie edition is available in my country, so I'm not sure how I can access the new content in the revised edition. The only way I can think of is if some kind American soul on here could possibly screen-shot the content and message it to me? Is anyone aware of any other books that are only available in the US, and may be difficult for me to get in my country? I doubt there are very many fans of the franchise in my country, but I can't be the only one?
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Post by Dante on Jul 23, 2018 9:34:41 GMT -5
I don't know which country yours is, but I would imagine quite a few of the picture books haven't been published internationally; I see you haven't listed The Latke Who Couldn't Stop Screaming, 13 Words, Goldfish Ghost, The Bad Mood and the Stick - and 29 Myths on the Swinster Pharmacy appears to be ATWQ-canon. File Under: 13 Suspicious Incidents I think is U.S.-only, though the U.K. is getting a Kindle edition soon. I think the new content in the later The Puzzling Puzzles is indeed confined to the U.S. edition; I recall the U.K. edition uses the same cover but didn't update to include the new material, which is roughly what I expect from Egmont by now.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 23, 2018 10:17:45 GMT -5
I don't know which country yours is, but I would imagine quite a few of the picture books haven't been published internationally; I see you haven't listed The Latke Who Couldn't Stop Screaming, 13 Words, Goldfish Ghost, The Bad Mood and the Stick - and 29 Myths on the Swinster Pharmacy appears to be ATWQ-canon. File Under: 13 Suspicious Incidents I think is U.S.-only, though the U.K. is getting a Kindle edition soon. I think the new content in the later The Puzzling Puzzles is indeed confined to the U.S. edition; I recall the U.K. edition uses the same cover but didn't update to include the new material, which is roughly what I expect from Egmont by now. I'll have a check to see which picture books over here I can source. I definitely plan to get 29 Myths at least somehow. Never been too much of a fan of the Kindle format, but I suppose I can give it another try for File Under. I live in England by the way, and I suspect I'm the only Snicket devotee over here.
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Post by Dante on Jul 23, 2018 10:27:54 GMT -5
I live in England by the way, and I suspect I'm the only Snicket devotee over here. I think I can safely say that you're wrong about that. By the way, in my experience Amazon US will ship books to the U.K.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 23, 2018 12:03:10 GMT -5
I live in England by the way, and I suspect I'm the only Snicket devotee over here. I think I can safely say that you're wrong about that. By the way, in my experience Amazon US will ship books to the U.K. I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you a Brit yourself? Glad to know I'm not the only one, in my experience the most the British know of the franchise is "that Jim Carrey film". Good to hear about Amazon US as well.
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Post by Teleram on Jul 23, 2018 15:53:02 GMT -5
veryferociousdrama, perhaps this sounds chidey, but could you please stop quoting the post right above you every time you reply? People can already see which post you're responding to. If you really want to make it clear, than you can just as easily say who you're talking to at the start of your post. Unless you're responding to something said by someone several posts ago, like so: Also, I'm pleased to see that the book's editor is one J. Scieszka. A kind editor, perhaps? Scieszka is a good friend of Handler's - you may recall he was one of the narrators in the FU:13 audiobook.
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