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Post by Liz Hollow on Jun 29, 2007 8:28:23 GMT -5
Well, he was planning to make a horcrux after the deaths, though. But you know, now that I think about it, James and Lily didn't really have to die if they had just given up Harry, so why would he set it up beforehand?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 2, 2007 21:23:42 GMT -5
Exactly. It just doesn't add up.
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Post by PJ on Jul 2, 2007 21:41:44 GMT -5
I still we think we don't know anything and so can't make any assumptions based on what we think we know.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 2, 2007 22:05:47 GMT -5
Precisely! Which is why we shouldn't make the extravagant assumption that someone voldemort's trying to kill contains a piece of his precious soul. ;D
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 3, 2007 9:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah. And this supports my conclusion of saying that Harry is not a horcrux. Because I really had no evidence before. Yay!
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Post by PJ on Jul 3, 2007 22:33:14 GMT -5
Yeah. And this supports my conclusion of saying that Harry is not a horcrux. Because I really had no evidence before. Yay! How so? What I'm saying is that we can't say for sure whether or not he's a Horcrux. He could be. He could also not be. There's evidence that aids both sides. We have no idea how spells work, and this is J.K. Rowling's work, after all. She decides what happens, even if it doesn't seem to fit what we currently know about spells. Neither side can claim anything, really, until DH gets released.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 4, 2007 11:01:11 GMT -5
Well, I was just saying that there is evidence that supports that Harry is not a horcrux, which is basically all I needed. I never said that he definitely was or was not. There IS evidence that supports both sides. Yay. But I did not say for sure that he is not a horcrux.
God, I hate waiting.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 4, 2007 14:43:57 GMT -5
OK, so if Voldemort is unable to inhabit Harry's body, as he tried to do at the Ministry in OotP, do you really think a piece of his soul could live in Harry? and live there undetected?
I don't think he's a horcrux, simply because of Dumbledore's statement about Nagini being a horcrux. He said (in paraphrase) that it was possible, but inadvisable, for Voldemort to use an animal as a horcrux. True, we don't know WHY it's inadvisable. My guess would be the possibility that a living horcrux could die, accidentally or otherwise, and what would then happen to the piece of soul contained within? However, if DD is correct about that, then it would be even more inadvisable to use a human as a horcrux, I think because the human would have a soul of his/her own contained within the same body.
On the other hand, as you're saying, all we can do is guess.
But PJ, surely you don't intend to discourage guessing or theorizing? We can't know, we can't assume our theories to be true, but surely we can have fun guessing!
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 4, 2007 19:03:16 GMT -5
Of course we can theorize and discuss, but PJ makes sense saying that we can't just declare one or the other side of the story is true. And it would certainly inadvisable to use a human of all things as a horcrux because a human has a mind of his/her own and can be killed or damaged and then what happens to the soul?
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 4, 2007 19:40:56 GMT -5
If a living horcrux dies, the horcrux within would be destroyed as well. So, basically making a living thing a horcrux is like giving up your fragment of your soul. He made Nagini a horcrux because they share a special bond anyways. Voldemort trusts Nagini more than he trusts his Death Eaters. And snakes rock anyways--why would he not trust her?
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Post by PJ on Jul 5, 2007 23:09:42 GMT -5
If a living horcrux dies, the horcrux within would be destroyed as well. Actually, the Horcrux may remain in the corpse. We don't know. Voldemort's body died, remember? But his soul endured, and fled to Albania. At least a fragment of it. Anything is possible. And I don't believe Voldemort CHOSE Harry, rather, the horcrux magic backfired or something. I mean, the killing curse rebounded because of the ancient love magic; perhaps it also affected the Horcrux magic. And I'm not dissuading theorizing. I'm just saying it's silly to claim that Harry can't be a horcrux because you think you know how the magic works. Keep an open mind, is all I'm saying.
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Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 6, 2007 9:17:39 GMT -5
Oh yeah... Well, then that would just be pointless for Harry to kill himself if he was a horcrux, and if that was what he planned on doing... But he had the other horcruxes to keep him alive, didn't he?
Perhaps. But... ah, nevermind.
I know that. However, when I said "...Supports my conclusion... Now I have evidence, blah, blah, blah. Yay!" I was basically saying just that (minus the blah part). My choice of words was poor, but basically "conclusion" meant my belief that he is not. It was just a poor choice of words on my part. Let's not worry about it.
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Post by Voldy on Jul 6, 2007 10:06:43 GMT -5
I was always just simple about this question: that Harry wasn't a Horcrux. It just seemed ridiculous...But, it seems plausible, now. Dumbledore had said that when Voldemort had tried to kill Harry, he had inadvertently given him some of his power(s). Also, Harry's dreams about Voldemort are real at times....And in OotP, Voldemort kind of went into Harry's body. Perhaps, on the night he killed the Potters, he unintentionally made Harry Horcrux--put a little of himself into him. That's why Harry can feel so much Voldemort can...I mean, why would Harry get a lightning-bolt scar if he is hit with Avada Kedavra? Just seems a bit strange.
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Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 6, 2007 10:49:03 GMT -5
Do you think that when you are making a living thing a horcrux, you have to take out a part of their soul also for your soul to be able to fit inside theirs. I don't know if this is that big of a deal for the series, but I was just wondering. If this was true, and Harry was a Horcrux, would 1/7 of Harry's soul be missing to make space for Voldemort's?
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 6, 2007 11:19:40 GMT -5
The whole "pieces of soul" thing just seems weird to me. After all, the amount of soul you have cannot be counted or measured, just as the amount of love you have cannot be counted or measured. So no, Ineedyourhelp, I personally don't think Harry would have to lose part of his soul to make room for a piece of another, just as a parent doesn't lose love for one child when they have another child.
The idea of Harry being a horcrux is somewhat plausible, but I still don't think a horcrux could be created unintentionally. On the other hand, it does seem possible that, during the creation of a horcrux, a piece of soul intended to be placed in a certain object could accidentally end up being placed inside a different object.
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