The Rant Thread

[Madamluna]

Actually, I used to read the Bible a lot when I was little. I had several versions of it in my house. It's just that I only thought of it as a storybook and now I'm a BITTER, DEPRAVED CHILD WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS.

[Madamluna]

My parents took me to church once or twice and talked to me about God and stuff. I think they're presbyterian but act agnostic. I wasn't really RAISED an atheist, I chose to be that way.

Religion interests me, but I'm not religious. I'm actually somewhat interested in religious figures/angels, and one of my friends is huge on religious symbolism and angelology, so I guess it rubbed off on me. (While I'm at it, let me see...I have a Jewish friend, a kemetic pagan friend, a bunch of atheists/agnostics and I know two huge Christians too. Three, actually, but one is really really super-annoying.)

Random: this one (caucasian) guy at school read the ENTIRE Quran, he carried it around with him 24/7 for no discernable reason.

[Charles Vane]

swans said:

You seem to imply your beliefs are superior by implying someone needs more than a Bible to back up their pov.

If they are enforcing those beliefs upon you then yes.

Yes. My ranting was after a conversation with my mother. Both my parents do that, I can agrue my point for ten minutes then they'll say, No, you're wrong, and think thats a perfect agruement. They hide between God or the other parent so nothing is their fault, meh it's just annoying, so again I was only ranting about my parents.

I don't think my views are superior, but I'll be honest and say I think I'm right. Not on everything but on my views on abortion, Bush, gay marriage.. That's just because I'm human though and wether we realize it or not most of us beleive we are always right. Now I'm not saying that's you, I'm just saying that's my opinion of people. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or assuming you're something you're not but I think no matter how I word something, someone could take it the wrong way. It's just my opinion though and no one has to do what I say.

I said I don't think you can base whatever on the bible. True, but I'm crazy like that and I expect everyone to understand what I mean when they obviously won't. Sorry, I don't mean just you, just Swans, that's just what I think in general. I'm fine with that opinion, that's why many people don't beleive in the bible, or aren't chirstian.

I can't just place my faith in the bible, because, yes I know you'll scream but man wrote the bible. I don't trust man, it's why I'm not following the catholic faith anymore. I put my faith in God but not people.
I know it's kinda contradictory, God is in man, whatever you do to a fellow human, you do to Jesus, but for right now thats how I'm gonna stand. At least until I can ifugre more things out in my life.

If you thought I was telling you how to act then why are you telling me how not to act? It's still telling someone to do something they may not want to do.

But ahh, you rant at your professors if ya want, I'll rant at my mom and we'll continue from there.

You can just get out your bible and look at the two stories, they're right there in Genesis. I will check to see if my bible is here somewhere and quote it if I find it.

I'm intrested in reading the Quran. Or just a different relegions bible, it's intresting to see thier point of view.

And I'm going to go way off topic for a second and nice quote Swans, I loved Johnny in that movie.

[Charles Vane]

But by taking his eyes they broke a rule of mine. #1 no hurting dogs. #2 No hurting Johnny. He was great though, he's the only person who could pull that off.

People think murder, stealing, lying, is wrong but it still happens. Doesn't mean we can't still think that. I know I need to respect my parents, I'm just incredibly irrational when it comes to them. I'm aware of it and I know I shouldn't behave like that towards them, right now we're alright though.

I don't deny that the bible is inspired by God but it's still written by man. Not saying this happened but one of the writers could easily just add their own opinions in there and pass them off as Gods.
Meh, I don't really beleive that. I'm just kinda going through a faith crisis right now, so to speak. I know where I stand with God, I just don't fit into the catholic religion anymore.

I'm just trying to take a break and figure out what religion I want to be apart of and what I want to do with my faith.

[Celinra]

As for the creation stories (the first two chapters of Genesis, I believe, or maybe the first few): The way it was explained to me is like it's two different channels covering the same news story, from different angles. The first one shows God's omnipotence in that he's able to speak a universe into existance, the second shows him as more a father figure who actually made man, rather than simply speaking him into existance. In fact, the word used for God in the original language reflects this: In the first section, it's the one to mean all-powerful God, in the second, it means Father.

As I said, beware of just taking verses without reading parts around them. The Bible says "Women, obey your husbands," but people tend to leave out the next part, "Men, love your wives, just as Jesus loves the Church" (that's not an exact quote, but it's something along those lines).
If you have questions about Christianity (i.e. Why does a loving God send people to Hell, why was He so mean, etc), I'd highly recommend "The Case for Faith," by Lee Strobel. He's a reporter, and handles these issues as if he is investigating a case. He started as an atheist, but in his investigations became a Christian. Anyways, it's really good, and I'd suggest reading it, even if just for facts about the religion.

Oh but we change the definiton of marriage just to fit our needs. We get married for money, for looks, we get married for class, thats been going on for thousands of years is that good? Forced marriage? Young girls had to get married at 14 because that was tradition. That was how it was. We changed that, because it wasn't right. If you say we need to do things because they'd been done that way for thousands of years then us women would still be second class citizens, same with african americans. Sometimes you've got to change things, if they are unfair.
That's not changing the definition of marriage. Its purpose sometimes, yes, but not its definition. It's different from women of African Americans gaining rights... they're human, they should be treated as such, rather than a second class citizen. However, gay marriage isn't just about those two people, it changes the meaning of what a family is. It can be argued that marriage is also a right that people should have, and they do have it... but if they follow certain rules, like everyone else. It's not to treat them like second class citizens, it's to treat them fairly... they must follow the same guidelines as everyone else.

[Madamluna]

Reviving this thread.

Adolescents who think that homosexuals should be likened to a scourge of cockroaches crawling over every inch of their body make schools SUCK.

[Charles Vane]

Ok I've got something along that subject line Luna.

It's not adolescents, it's my parents. I've kind of talked about it in some other threads but I'll explain it here. My uncle Randy is gay. He has a life partner named John, they wear wedding rings, even though they're not married, they've been together a long as I can remember. He runs some kind of health care business that makes him travel and live somewhere on the weekdays but he comes home every few weekends to run his bar. He owns a gay bar where the people love him because he's such a nice guy. My dad helps run it as the accountant since Randy can't always be there.

He and my mom love Randy they're never anything but nice to him. My dad and him are brothers, they're super close, they talk together all the time, share books, go to baseball games, talk about tv, argue over Bush ect.

My dad does all the accounting work for his brothers bar in the attic where its hot and there's not much space. He refuses to go anywhere else because he doesn't want to talk to the gay people. They've tried to be nice to him but he's condesending and doesn't really care. He thinks, and has told me this more than once, if he goes down there they will hit on him. Because everyone whos gay will find my married, aging, balding dad attractive, just because they are gay.
He also thinks all homosexuals are idiots. I think this is because of John, who if you think of the sterotype version of gay, he'll most likley be exactly that. This doesn't mean he's an idiot but he's carefree and iresponsable, just due to his own nature so my dad thinks all homosexuals other than Randy will be just like John.My mom thinks this too and it annoys me to no end.

I know it's alright for people to think homosexuality is wrong, each to his own, and I do think it's wrong to hate a person just for being gay like some do, my parents included. But it's still you're right to do that. I just don't see how my parents can love one person so much but hate all others like him for no good reason. It's not even the religion thing, even though they are catholic, it's just hate. Because they're different.
I can't explain how I feel to them because my dad naturally disregards everything I say and my mom blinks alot. But my general feeling would be lots of swearing and screaming so maybe it's all good.

[Celinra]

I don't like when people hate homosexuals for just the fact that they're homosexuals (as I said, I think it's wrong, but I'm not going to hate a person for having different beliefs from me).
I have a friend who 'expiramented' for a while in high school... it really hurt to hear gossip in classes being things like, "Oh, there's a couple of girls who are lesbians...", "...all gay people should be shot" (someone actually said something to that effect, I don't recall if he said they should be shot, but he made it clear he'd rather they be dead).

[Brian]

What pisses me off is when people use words like "gay" in the wrong way, making them sound bad. It's like they don't even know what they mean.