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Post by Celinra on Feb 29, 2004 22:50:26 GMT -5
If a person is so convinced that thier faith is correct, then live by the rules that faith has laid down. I do... 2 Corinthians 6:14-17: 14 - Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 - What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 - What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." 17 - "Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord..." What you quoted is not just about 'true love' being most important. It's about being loving in what you do... even if you give all your money to the poor, and don't do it out of love, it has no meaning. |
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Post by ŘỠßëřŦ on Feb 29, 2004 23:12:41 GMT -5
Inter-faith marriages.... Who cares about the religions of two people? Personally, from I, Robert White, I think that if two people are truthfully in love and and are willing to make a lifetime committment that will affect both the woman and man's lives forever, get married. I believe that opposites DO attract. It is very sad when parents try to rip two people apart because of their religions. I simply do not believe in not letting them get married because of the fact that they have different beliefs.
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Post by Celinra on Feb 29, 2004 23:20:11 GMT -5
If two people want to get married despite having different beliefs, well... it's certainly not my place to stop them. If they can manage to work through disagreements that will come up (i.e. should kids go to church or not, or what things are OK for the kid and what isn't), then they deserve to be together. I think it'd be good, though, if people realized a little more what they'd be getting into before they made that commitment.
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Post by ŘỠßëřŦ on Feb 29, 2004 23:22:23 GMT -5
Well said,Celrina
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Post by Brian on Mar 1, 2004 17:37:44 GMT -5
First, I think it's Sick with a capital S that the Bible would go as far to isolate Christians from non-Christians.
Second, Elizabeth, I agree with everything you said. The trouble is that not everybody follows those rules.
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Post by ElizabethElfleda on Mar 1, 2004 17:40:09 GMT -5
What you quoted is not just about 'true love' being most important. It's about being loving in what you do... even if you give all your money to the poor, and don't do it out of love, it has no meaning. Yes, yes, yes, and yes to swans, you do NOT just marry and live happily ever after. The whole thing about a marriage being 50/50 really isn't true to life. A marriage is sometimes a 20/80 thing... sometimes one person has to carry the other. I wish I could post multiple quotes here! Celinra, yeah, it would be alot better if people realized what they were getting into before they commited. I have a brief story about the whole inter-faith thing. 21 years ago my mother hit her knees and asked God a question. Did God want her or not and if he did, he had to do something. She couldn't serve God with my father around. She asked God to either change my father or take him. My dad walked out of her life the same day. |
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Post by Brian on Mar 1, 2004 17:48:42 GMT -5
Interesting. But here's another story: I come from an inter-faith marriage myself. My dad is Methodist, my mom Reformed Jewish. They get along fine, raise my sister and me wonderfully, and they definitely aren't going to Hell - they are the most loving, caring, considerate people I know. Sure, I recognize that sometimes an inter-faith marriage won't work out. But if the two people are willing to make each other top priority, as it should be in a marriage, then it should work out. I'm sorry about your father.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 1, 2004 18:56:57 GMT -5
But in marriage, the other person isn't necessarily top priority... nothing should get in a person's way of serving God...
Luke 14:25, 26, 33
25 - Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sister--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.
33 - In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple."
My Bible adds this commentary to the verses: "In light of Matthew 10:37, the word 'hate' (v. 26) should be understood as loving one's relatives less than the Lord. The phrase 'who does no give up' (v. 33) does not refer to the total abandonment of one's belongings, but the proper prioritization of them... It signifies that believers who are worthy of Christ know how to properly arrange their lives so that Christ is given preeminence."
And, to clear that up, Matt. 10:37 is this: "'Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.'"
So, according to these verses, to a Christian, religion should be first, not their spouse.
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Post by Luigi on Mar 1, 2004 19:08:07 GMT -5
Interesting. But here's another story: I come from an inter-faith marriage myself. My dad is Methodist, my mom Reformed Jewish. They get along fine, raise my sister and me wonderfully, and they definitely aren't going to Hell - they are the most loving, caring, considerate people I know. Some people only believe faith matters when it comes to going to heaven and hell. You could do tons of great things for society out of love, and you'll go to the same place as Hitler. Sick, ain't it? I believe I started a thread about it... |
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Post by Brian on Mar 1, 2004 21:24:47 GMT -5
But in marriage, the other person isn't necessarily top priority... nothing should get in a person's way of serving God... Excuse me, but I asked the question in the first plcae so people could express their opinions. There is no matter of fact answer. If God comes before love for you - fine. Then an inter-faith marriage probably wouldn't work out. And not everybody on these boards is Christian. |
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 1, 2004 21:57:16 GMT -5
"Thoes who live in glass houses, should not throw stones."
*Ahem* Alright, well......I think inter-faith marriages are swell. It's your personal descion, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. As for when you need to decide on a holiday, why not just celebrate them all? More festivities anyway....
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Post by Celinra on Mar 2, 2004 9:17:01 GMT -5
Excuse me, but I asked the question in the first plcae so people could express their opinions. There is no matter of fact answer. If God comes before love for you - fine. Then an inter-faith marriage probably wouldn't work out. And not everybody on these boards is Christian. Right. And I was saying my opinion. As a Christian. So now, is it that everyone can have an opionion, except Christians? I was simply saying what I believed, and showing the verses in the Bible for why I believed it, and why I disagreed with other opinions. I was not trying to force them on anyone who disagrees, I know not everyone is a Christian and so not everyone will listen to my opinion, but whether you like it or not, it is still my opinion. So, if you want my opinion (and you did say that's what you wanted, opinions), then deal with having to look at things from the Christian perspective when I say mine. |
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Post by Brian on Mar 3, 2004 17:43:09 GMT -5
Brian, would you like shut it? Look at Celinra's last sentence --"So, according to these verses, to a Christian, religion should be first, not their spouse. ". She was explaining from her point of view, and she was also correcting someone about what the Bible says about inter-faith marriages. She was giving her opinion, something you asked for.. You're a prejudice jerk-off you know it? Someone expresses themselves and you jump all over them, and not just because they necessarily disagree with you but it seems just because they're Christian. You've done this a countless amount of times, and if you think it "stings" to have me say "Jews are being whiney". Then what message do you think you're sending not only to Christians but people who have different opinions from you? OK, look, I'm sorry. I know I'm really forthright in my opinions, and I take references to my religion way too seriously. But I don't have anything against anybody because they are Christian. I can promise you that much. I'll try and back off from now on. |
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Post by Brian on Mar 3, 2004 17:44:40 GMT -5
And Celinra, I'm sorry too. I didn't read your last sentence carefully enough to understand what you were saying, and I jumped to conclusions way too early. It was incredibly stupid of me. Please accept my apology. As I said to swans in the post above this, I'll back off from now on.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 4, 2004 8:45:11 GMT -5
And Celinra, I'm sorry too. I didn't read your last sentence carefully enough to understand what you were saying, and I jumped to conclusions way too early. It was incredibly stupid of me. Please accept my apology. As I said to swans in the post above this, I'll back off from now on. Apology accepted. I understand, I've probably read posts too fast as well, and then ended up saying something completely different from what I meant and sounded mean and/or stupid. So, now that we're all friends again, let's get back to civil debate. |
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