Post by Travesty on Jan 27, 2004 19:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, there is plenty of evidence for Beatrice as BaudMom. But before you start flaming, check this out. These are hardly all my ideas (but I can vouch for one or two), but I thought it would be good to have all these in one place. Hang on, folks:
1- This came to me in a sudden flash of inspiration last night, and it's good stuff. It pertains to The Picture that the Bauds found at Heimlich Hospital. First of all, it makes a lot more sense for this to be a family picture, with Jacques, his twin sister K Snicket-Baudelaire and her husband Mr. Baud, and Lemony, who hides his face from the camera. Assuming the man turned away from the camera is indeed Lemony, which I think is safe to do, then the woman in the picture couldn't possibly be Beatrice, because be the time she had married/gotten together with the other man she would have banished Lemony from her sight. The picture couldn't have been taken before this, because the reason Beatrice dumped Lemony is because of some horrible falsehood about him, relating to the schism, that was reported in The Daily Punctilio. That same scandal is the reason Lemony is on the run and will never let his face be photographed. So The Picture had to have been taken after the false accusations that made Beatrice dump Lemony. Thus, either Daniel Handler made a terrible mistake, or Beatrice couldn't possibly be Mrs. Baud.
2.The Fruit Salad: Come on, Snicket's got to be telling us something. It could be a red herring, but there's no real evidence for that. It could be said that the Annual Codebreaking Picnic mentioned in LSUA refutes this: Lemony's sister, K, brought this delicious recipe to the picnic and everyone there loved it and got the recipe, including Beatrice, who years later makes it for another picnic in front of her daughter Sunny. BUT---go to the Index in the back of LSUA and look up "red herring"--it leads you to the same page the picnic picture is on. Tenuous, both of them, at best--but hey, go with me here.
3.The Ned H. Rirger near the Carrie E. Whatever-It-Was in THH. Carrie E. Something anagrams to Beatrice Baudelaire, but Ned H. Rirger=Red Herring.
4.One could say that Beatrice being able to whistle Mozart's 14th in LSUA is evidence that she's the BaudMom, because in TWW Klaus mentions that his mother couold whistle that same tune. But the play Beatrice whistles in is performed in the Ned. H. Rirger Theater.
5. For this I refer to MyNameIsJacques's post in another thread: Not necessarily. Remember, Lemony is following fairly closely on the Baudelaire trail, and he speaks as if this masked ball happened a long time ago. It had been 15 years since he had seen Beatrice then, at that time, before the Bauds were born. Gaa, I'm making no sense. I'll try again later.
6. "Ah," Jerome said, "you're adventurous! Your mother was adventurous too. [referring to Mrs. Baudelaire] You know, she and I were very good friends a ways back. We hiked up Mount Fraught with some friends- gosh, it must have been twenty years ago. Mt Fraught was known for having dangerous animals on it, but your mother wasn't afraid. But then, swooping out of the sky-"--TEE
"I have seen a woman I loved picked up by an enormous eagle and flown to its high mountain nest." --TWW
First of all, let me remind you that at the end of TEE, there's a huge statue of a red herring. Secondly, Jerome could have said anything, he was cut off too abruptly. He just as easily could have gone on, "But then, swooping out of the sky, a giant Mortmain Eagle came down and picked up your uncle Lemony's girlfriend...". And Lemony doesn't specifically mention that the woman he loved was his girlfriend. It could just as easily been his sister--he hopefully loves his sister.
7. A minor note: notice how often Klaus uses phrases like "I know what such-and-such means!" Compare that to K's "I know what "infiltrated" means" in LSUA. Children pick up phrases from their parents, no?
8. The Baud parents died in the morning, and Snicket clearly states that Beatrice died in the afternoon.
1- This came to me in a sudden flash of inspiration last night, and it's good stuff. It pertains to The Picture that the Bauds found at Heimlich Hospital. First of all, it makes a lot more sense for this to be a family picture, with Jacques, his twin sister K Snicket-Baudelaire and her husband Mr. Baud, and Lemony, who hides his face from the camera. Assuming the man turned away from the camera is indeed Lemony, which I think is safe to do, then the woman in the picture couldn't possibly be Beatrice, because be the time she had married/gotten together with the other man she would have banished Lemony from her sight. The picture couldn't have been taken before this, because the reason Beatrice dumped Lemony is because of some horrible falsehood about him, relating to the schism, that was reported in The Daily Punctilio. That same scandal is the reason Lemony is on the run and will never let his face be photographed. So The Picture had to have been taken after the false accusations that made Beatrice dump Lemony. Thus, either Daniel Handler made a terrible mistake, or Beatrice couldn't possibly be Mrs. Baud.
2.The Fruit Salad: Come on, Snicket's got to be telling us something. It could be a red herring, but there's no real evidence for that. It could be said that the Annual Codebreaking Picnic mentioned in LSUA refutes this: Lemony's sister, K, brought this delicious recipe to the picnic and everyone there loved it and got the recipe, including Beatrice, who years later makes it for another picnic in front of her daughter Sunny. BUT---go to the Index in the back of LSUA and look up "red herring"--it leads you to the same page the picnic picture is on. Tenuous, both of them, at best--but hey, go with me here.
3.The Ned H. Rirger near the Carrie E. Whatever-It-Was in THH. Carrie E. Something anagrams to Beatrice Baudelaire, but Ned H. Rirger=Red Herring.
4.One could say that Beatrice being able to whistle Mozart's 14th in LSUA is evidence that she's the BaudMom, because in TWW Klaus mentions that his mother couold whistle that same tune. But the play Beatrice whistles in is performed in the Ned. H. Rirger Theater.
5. For this I refer to MyNameIsJacques's post in another thread:
Lemony approached Beatrice because he hadn't seen her in 15 years. This corresponds with Violet's age of 14 cause Beatrice stopped seeing Lemony, married Mr. Baudelaire shortly thereafter conceiving Violet. There ya go!
6. "Ah," Jerome said, "you're adventurous! Your mother was adventurous too. [referring to Mrs. Baudelaire] You know, she and I were very good friends a ways back. We hiked up Mount Fraught with some friends- gosh, it must have been twenty years ago. Mt Fraught was known for having dangerous animals on it, but your mother wasn't afraid. But then, swooping out of the sky-"--TEE
"I have seen a woman I loved picked up by an enormous eagle and flown to its high mountain nest." --TWW
First of all, let me remind you that at the end of TEE, there's a huge statue of a red herring. Secondly, Jerome could have said anything, he was cut off too abruptly. He just as easily could have gone on, "But then, swooping out of the sky, a giant Mortmain Eagle came down and picked up your uncle Lemony's girlfriend...". And Lemony doesn't specifically mention that the woman he loved was his girlfriend. It could just as easily been his sister--he hopefully loves his sister.
7. A minor note: notice how often Klaus uses phrases like "I know what such-and-such means!" Compare that to K's "I know what "infiltrated" means" in LSUA. Children pick up phrases from their parents, no?
8. The Baud parents died in the morning, and Snicket clearly states that Beatrice died in the afternoon.
