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Post by Efogoto on Dec 3, 2003 12:34:42 GMT -5
What makes you certain that the masked ball mentioned in the LSTUA note is the same masked ball mentioned in TAA?
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Post by Luna on Dec 3, 2003 17:41:57 GMT -5
didn't esme murder beatrice? i think it said that in lsua. after the fire in TBB, beatrice invited esme for "afternoon tea". I think it was on a thursday, not that it matters. and i'm just curious, where did it say lemony and beatrice were engaged?  it said that in lemony's last newspaper article on the play review (cant think of the name just yet) the one where esme replaced beatrice |
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Post by SnicketFires on Dec 3, 2003 21:30:12 GMT -5
when lemony talks to the snicket lad person, he says "i am preparing to be married at present, so will will not write a lenthy paper like i usually do at such occasion." or something like that.
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Post by Luigi on Dec 3, 2003 22:04:06 GMT -5
So, Beatrice was alive in TRR. At least.
*paces around the room*
I recently got ahold of lyrics from the books-on-tape, thanks to swans and tragedy. They all related to the books someway. TBB had a song about Olaf, TRR had a song about reptiles, TWW had a song about being afraid, like Jospehine. TMM...had a song about the loss of Beatrice. Hmmm....
Maybe it was just filler, I don't know if the songs hold clues, because in the TVV songs, Lemony sings about a woman he loves, and the love interest seemed to be alive...gah, where's that thread with the songs?
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Post by Mary on Dec 4, 2003 8:24:01 GMT -5
I think Beatrice was dead in all of the books. After all, all the dedications indicate that don't they? I don't think the two masked balls are the same. I think maybe masked balls are common VFD social events.
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Post by Efogoto on Dec 4, 2003 15:15:36 GMT -5
On a timing note, we know that Lemony writes the series years after the events, so Beatrice only needs to be dead by the time the book is written, not before the events of the book.
All of the events so far recorded have occurred in a single year (Violet is still fourteen). Beatrice could theoretically die after the events of book thirteen, but before Lemony writes book one.
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Post by JChaboCyanLuigi on Dec 4, 2003 16:32:52 GMT -5
Grrr gar gar grrr. (In LSUA, it mentions something about L starting research on the lives of the B's, and Beatrice was alive when the letter was written. Maybe B will die in the series)
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Post by Efogoto on Dec 4, 2003 17:30:09 GMT -5
I am under the impression that it was the death of Beatrice which caused Lemony to start his investigations. That death might be after book 13, but still before Lemony begins his research.
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Post by Luigi on Dec 4, 2003 17:36:54 GMT -5
That's what I thought at first, too.
But LSUA proved it untrue.
Beatrcie was alive when Lemony started,
That's why the Beatrice Baudelaire was sort of discarded.
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Post by Efogoto on Dec 4, 2003 17:40:17 GMT -5
Which portion of LSTUA makes you believe that Beatrice was alive when Lemony began his research?
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Post by Luigi on Dec 4, 2003 17:45:15 GMT -5
Page 26, "Beatrice is far past complaining the lost of possesions, the very reason, I think, you decided to dedicate your life to researching those 3 children."
Can dead people complain? I think not;
I've got a few more theories I need to, in my commonplacebook, jot.[
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Post by Zombie-chan on Dec 4, 2003 17:48:49 GMT -5
Ah...Time for a smart aleck response, I believe. I'm Beatrice.  |
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Post by Efogoto on Dec 4, 2003 17:56:13 GMT -5
Page 26, "Beatrice is far past complaining the lost of possesions, the very reason, I think, you decided to dedicate your life to researching those 3 children." Can dead people complain? I think not;
I've got a few more theories I need to, in my commonplacebook, jot.[ Of course dead people can't complain ... and beatrice is far past complaining. She can't complain for the very reason, IMHO, that she is dead. |
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Post by Luigi on Dec 4, 2003 18:05:00 GMT -5
You, of course, are smarter than I,
But I don't think that sentence fits after someone dies...
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Post by Efogoto on Dec 4, 2003 18:56:50 GMT -5
It is a circumlocution allowing the writer to acknowledge Beatrice's death without using the word "death" in the sentence. One simply doesn't say "Beatrice doesn't need things now that she's dead. Didn't you start writing about the kids because of her death?"
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