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Post by JasonKondrick on Jan 13, 2004 21:23:47 GMT -5
Not to change the name, but I am saying that a lot of sarcasm and satiric effects are being put into these books. We are all looking for the hidden code, meaning of V.F.D., and many other enjoyable things, but I think that Handler is trying to point out a realistic situation (I am not talking about the plot and its characters, but the meaning put into the plot) in the world today. Please, post some ideas or finds, and give the page number of which book. I don't have any specific things off of me right now, but when I can get to my books I will reply. JasonKondrick
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Post by SnicketFires on Jan 13, 2004 21:43:55 GMT -5
Well, I think all the sarcasm, etc. is all part of the series's humor. I love it! Earlier i was laughing so hard about this thing, in TSS. "Don't interrupt," The Man with a beard but no hair interrupted. Things like that.
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Post by Indistinguishable Blob on Jan 15, 2004 18:00:47 GMT -5
"Officers of the law are allowed to break rules."
What's the point of this thread? That you don't like his sense of humor?
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Post by Luigi on Jan 15, 2004 19:24:40 GMT -5
I heard it's supposed to be a spoof of "old GOthic novels". I've actually have no clue what they are.
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Post by JasonKondrick on Jan 16, 2004 0:34:45 GMT -5
No, no, no. I am not talking about the humor. Sarcasm, can be used in two different ways. One, to point something out, and the pointer-outer is laughing along with everyone else. On the other hand, it points somethings out, but the pointer-outer isn't laughing, and doesn't intend anyone to laugh.
Do you get what I mean?
I am mainly focusing on satiric effects, but sarcasm used in the second sense is another type of thing I am looking for.
Basically, I would like to get in-depth about these books, with their many meanings, besides the obvious. Please excuse my use of words. JasonKondrick
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Post by SnicketFires on Jan 16, 2004 21:29:47 GMT -5
Don't quite know what you mean. So not like the things we pointed out? Could you provide an example?
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Post by JasonKondrick on Jan 17, 2004 23:40:39 GMT -5
Well, that is an obvious example, but the meaning of it, is saying that children are not as capable as adults, which is true to an extent. I still haven't gotten to my books, so I will provide one as soon as I can, which will probably be half a month or so. JK
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Post by Indistinguishable Blob on Jan 18, 2004 10:59:42 GMT -5
OK...I'm still not exactly sure what you mean, but I think I have an idea.
Maybe he's trying to point out that being good doesn't neccesarily (sp) get you rewarded.
*shrug* But that probably isn't something you're talking about. I don't know...
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jan 18, 2004 20:41:31 GMT -5
I think Handler is sort of satiring most fiction novels for kids. In most of these stories the "good guy" always triumphs over the bad guy by using some sort of super ability, and he wants to point out that good people don't have super abilities and they don't always triumph over the villain. ex.Baudelaires being good guys but never catching olaf.
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Post by SnicketFires on Jan 19, 2004 22:01:14 GMT -5
But the people can have Duex ex Machinas (sp?)
And the children's abilities (inventing, researching, and biting) have gotten themselves out of many impossible situations (the elevator shaft, for example.)
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Post by JasonKondrick on Mar 5, 2004 21:39:12 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't replied, things are just so busy for me. One of the things I have found is that Emperor Nero of Rome (This is in relation to the fifth book) played the violin while his city burned. Couldn't this be a satiric effect? I mean, he didn't pay attention to the school's needs, and all he did was play the violin. The fire, could possibly represent Olaf destroying everything in his path? Thank you for responding, and I will reply once I find something more out, but I am so busy! JasonKondrick
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Post by snicketfilepg13 on Mar 5, 2004 21:47:58 GMT -5
mmm....I liked that. But its not all jokes and fun. Its like a realistic basis of storyline but the story is like it never would happen, as if it was in a fantasy world, but realism exists. lol if you can understand.
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Post by Madamluna on Mar 5, 2004 22:38:15 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't replied, things are just so busy for me. One of the things I have found is that Emperor Nero of Rome (This is in relation to the fifth book) played the violin while his city burned. Couldn't this be a satiric effect? I mean, he didn't pay attention to the school's needs, and all he did was play the violin. The fire, could possibly represent Olaf destroying everything in his path? Thank you for responding, and I will reply once I find something more out, but I am so busy! JasonKondrick Nero did not actually play the fiddle while Rome burned, as the fiddle was not even invented yet. Just a heads up. It'd be interesting though, to work some multilayered symbolism in there.
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