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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 15, 2004 20:20:11 GMT -5
I did a forum search, so please don't yell at me if somone's already discussed this. For the first few Baud guardians, besides Olaf, there seems to have been a target. This theory is way out there, and fragile at best since I know of several debaters who have the ability to shatter an idea like this. Anyway, Monty would have been on Olaf's hit list, he kept the trained reptiles that helped the good side of the schism. Gustav as well since I have reason to believe that he is Gustav Sebald who gave good VFDers important coded messages. Josephine would have been a target because Ike was a good doctor for VFD and she could have been an obstacle to the evildoers since she knew him so well and could've had good info against the bad side. And assuming Charles from the mm is in VFD Olaf would have had reason to chop him up. Of course this could only work if Mr. Poe was helping Olaf in choosing guardians... Yes, no? Good theory, bad theory?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 15, 2004 21:36:03 GMT -5
argggggggh. No responses... I might as well ask Mr. Poe for his "IGNORED" stamp...
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Post by AgentM on Feb 15, 2004 21:42:33 GMT -5
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If Mr. Poe was helping Olaf by picking guardians, wouldn't he be helping Olaf in general? Yet, he's had several chances to hand the Baudelaires completely over to Olaf, and he's stopped Olaf every time. I agree, though, that Olaf could have had it out for several of the guardians anyway.
(You said you wanted a response.)
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 15, 2004 21:47:16 GMT -5
Finally-er that's what I've been thinking, but Mr Poe has acted so absent minded and idiotic that it's almost as if he's doing it on purpose. Maybe Olaf indirectly determined the choosing of guardians as he almost certainly did when he himself was selected. He could have forged false notes or advice for Poe or he could've disguised himself as a formidable person and instructed Poe somehow.
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Post by Caterina on Feb 15, 2004 23:27:28 GMT -5
I dont remember how Ike was a doctor, but anyways, Olaf had to ask Olivia to know where the Orphans were, so if Poe was helping I think Olaf would have know previously (please correct me though because I havent read TCC in a while) But I think that Poe may be helping, but certaintly isnt that big of a help, as of course he never is. More than likely there is a twist to Poe, because if there isnt he is a pointless by standing character, and with Lemony Snicket, everthing has meaning.
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Post by Efogoto on Feb 16, 2004 11:23:38 GMT -5
Way to go Violet. Since Olaf needed Olivia to find the orphans, Mr. Poe is off the hook as a helper of Count Olaf. And since Olaf didn't know ahead of time where they were going, he couldn't have had a hit list. Very nicely done.
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Post by Caterina on Feb 16, 2004 12:18:02 GMT -5
Thank you very much.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 16, 2004 14:14:31 GMT -5
But still, it does seem odd that Olaf has had reason to kill someone near to almost every baud guardian(excluding himself and esme of course) I mean he wanted to kill Jacques, who was conveniently hiding in VFD village when Olaf tracked the bauds there, as well as those listed above.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 16, 2004 14:16:10 GMT -5
I dont remember how Ike was a doctor, but anyways, Olaf had to ask Olivia to know where the Orphans were, so if Poe was helping I think Olaf would have know previously (please correct me though because I havent read TCC in a while) But I think that Poe may be helping, but certaintly isnt that big of a help, as of course he never is. More than likely there is a twist to Poe, because if there isnt he is a pointless by standing character, and with Lemony Snicket, everthing has meaning. And you don't know he actually needed to ask Olivia, that could've been an act to cover up getting aid from Poe. Also in the ss it says that the bauds will never meet some high VFD officials such as dr. Isaac Anwhistle whom everyone called Ike. Remember Josephine Anwhistle, husband=Ike?
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Post by Caterina on Feb 16, 2004 14:31:03 GMT -5
Ok, yeah i remember, but I think that Mr. Poe may be setting up the Badelaires to be living with VFD members or people who are involved, of course we can suppose a couple of different things if that is the case, one Mr.Poe is stupid, and even though he is trying to help the good VFD he doesn't realize the mistakes he is making, or , Mr. Poe (like you said) is intentionaly putting the Bauds with gurdians for count. You have a point, because Snicket deffinately wants us to realize that something is going on ith Poe (hence the chapter in LSAU origionally entitled "Why isnt Mr. Poe as halpful as he ought to be.") It may seem like I am contradicting myself but I think that Mr. Poe is not "in" with Count Olaf, besides, why would Olaf cover up for Poe, he didnt even care if a few of his associates were killed along the way, and I doubt Poe is that important to him.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 16, 2004 15:22:16 GMT -5
I never said Mr. Poe was in league with Count Olaf, in fact I really don't think he is, I was just entertaining the notion that Olaf somehow, indirectly, managed to influence Poe's guardian decision so he could kill two birds with 1 stone. 1st bird) Find the bauds and steal their fortune 2nd bird) Ruthlessly murder a someone helpful to good VFD. In fact the chapter you mentioned leads me to believe that Mr. Poe is just a slightly absent-minded banker, too wrapped up in bank work to realize the mistakes he's making with his orphans.
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Post by Caterina on Feb 16, 2004 16:52:05 GMT -5
Yes, that theory makes alot more sense, sorry for misunderstanding you. It is a good idea that Olaf is manipulating Poe, and most proabable, especailly pertainng to each's individual character. Count Olaf is evil enough, and Mr. Poe is stupid enough.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 16, 2004 17:27:59 GMT -5
Exactly, Mr. Poe's in a position to give Olaf what he wants so Olaf uses his guile to trick him. And remember, Olaf didn't have a target at Prufrock, so he wasn't able to manipulate Poe there. So, he found out another way, Olivia. She had the enrollment list.
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Post by Efogoto on Feb 16, 2004 18:02:08 GMT -5
In TRR Count Olaf killed Gustav to become Uncle monty's new assistant. We don't know that Gustav the assistant is the same as Gustav the film director, so we don't know if Gustav the assistant was in VFD or not.
In TWW Ike went swimming forty-five minutes after eating instead of waiting for n hour and he was eaten by leeches. Olaf had nothing to do with that. He certainly killed Aunt Josephine, but I'm not sure I wouldn't have pushed her in after she turned on the kids.
Dr. Orwell died at Klaus' hands in TMM.
Miss Tench fell out a window in TAA which opened up a spot for Count Olaf to be the new gym teacher. It doesn't specifically say Count Olaf tossed out the window, but I wouldn't bet against it. I don't think Miss Tench is a VFD member because she'd have no need to assign reading as a gym teacher.
I just don't think Olaf has a hit list that Mr. Poe is following.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 16, 2004 18:22:57 GMT -5
In TRR Count Olaf killed Gustav to become Uncle monty's new assistant. We don't know that Gustav the assistant is the same as Gustav the film director, so we don't know if Gustav the assistant was in VFD or not. In TWW Ike went swimming forty-five minutes after eating instead of waiting for n hour and he was eaten by leeches. Olaf had nothing to do with that. He certainly killed Aunt Josephine, but I'm not sure I wouldn't have pushed her in after she turned on the kids. Dr. Orwell died at Klaus' hands in TMM. Miss Tench fell out a window in TAA which opened up a spot for Count Olaf to be the new gym teacher. It doesn't specifically say Count Olaf tossed out the window, but I wouldn't bet against it. I don't think Miss Tench is a VFD member because she'd have no need to assign reading as a gym teacher. I just don't think Olaf has a hit list that Mr. Poe is following. 1) I said I have reason to believe assistant Gustav is director Gustav not that it was so. And Uncle Monty was the prime target there, for he was the keeper of the trained reptiles of good VFD. 2) I didn't say Olaf killed Ike, I said he would've wanted to kill Josephine since she might have had important VFD information since her husband was in good VFD. 3) Olaf didn't want to kill Dr. Orwell, she was his little helper and Klaus didn't kill her. She stepped back into the machine on her own. However, he may have wanted to kill Charles of Lucky smells in which he nearly succeeded. 4) I never said he had a target at Prufrock.
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