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Post by Violet on Feb 16, 2005 15:47:27 GMT -5
I know he's not Bruce, I was just naming people.
Hmm...I think Sir is Sir, not any other character we've met.
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Post by Dante on Feb 16, 2005 16:06:31 GMT -5
But I think we all agree that that is Lemony. And, as an addendum, the Baudelaires probably have seen Lemony's face. |
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Post by Ennui on Feb 16, 2005 16:12:55 GMT -5
Hmmm. Do you think so? At a dinner party before the Baudelaire Fire? Or something else?
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Post by Dante on Feb 16, 2005 16:18:19 GMT -5
Hmmm. Do you think so? At a dinner party before the Baudelaire Fire? Or something else? My thoughts: Three times at least has Handler avoided somebody saying Lemony's name to the Baudelaires, and it's even getting quite weak. "What's-his-name," for example. And, while thinking about this, it suddenly came to me that perhaps there was another reason why Lemony hid his face - that is, a reason for the author to hide Lemony's face. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 17, 2005 6:09:45 GMT -5
Not just his face, his name too. For instance, in TVV the Quags remark when the Bauds find Snicket a familiar name that they aren't surprised, since his brother is a man who...
Also, the whats-his-name thingy happened twice in TGG. I think. Lemony is either reffered as Jacques' brother, or not named at all. The only example of face-hiding in the series is the photograph on page 13 of the Snicket file.
So I too believe that they will either recognise his first name, or his face, or both.
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Post by Violet on Feb 20, 2005 14:01:21 GMT -5
I think that if the dinner parties the Baudelaire parents had were in fact V.F.D. meetings, they would have seen Lemony's face. Maybe, just maybe, people don't say his name is because they think he had something to do with their mansion burning down.
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Post by RockSunner on Feb 20, 2005 23:20:59 GMT -5
I think that if the dinner parties the Baudelaire parents had were in fact V.F.D. meetings, they would have seen Lemony's face. Maybe, just maybe, people don't say his name is because they think he had something to do with their mansion burning down. Here's a quote from TBB-RE that proves Lemony spent time at the Baudelaire dinner table (p. 171) The Baudelaire table was not used exclusively for dinner. Its surface was handy for unrolling maps, completing jigsaw puzzles, and tracing the faces of people from photographs. One thing I remember from my time at the table was that it was always necessary to use a coaster underneath one's beverage...Now, he might have only spent time at that table before the Baudelaires were born, or only when they were absent. But it's more likely they saw him at one time or another when he was at their house. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 21, 2005 0:12:51 GMT -5
Indeed. They will most likely recognise him. Otherwise Handler will have to make up some odd excuse, like Lemony's face is horribly scarred and people make fun of his name, so he doesn't encourage them being seen/heard.
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Post by songbird11989 on Feb 21, 2005 1:26:46 GMT -5
The name of Sir's factory, Lucky Smells, means the same as the name of the VFD horseradish factory, Opportune Odours. Could that incriminate him at all? Some kind of code? quote] [glow=red,2,300]In TGG we learned that the horseradish factory was just there to provide an antidote to the mushrooms so the lumber mill probably was beneficial. [/glow] |
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Post by Flaneur on Feb 25, 2005 16:43:15 GMT -5
To continue this tangential course:
I used to be a firm believer in the theory that the Bauds wouldn't know Lemony because they never would have met him because Beatrice was the Baudmom and would want nothing to do with him.
I don't quite believe the various components of this anymore, and anyway we keep having evidence otherwise, with Lemony having been at their house and all; if Bea was the Baudelaires' mother she must have forgiven him or, more favorable and sensible, he was at their house before Mr. and Mrs. Baudelaire came that and moved in [together?].
It seems certain to me now that the Baudelaires have at least heard of Lemony. It is, as you're saying, waaaaaaay too contrived that they never hear his name/see his face, and there's got to be a reason.
Anyway, it seems to me that the rest of the "brother of a man who" sentence might have gone "was accused of burning down your house" or, if you favor the Beatrice Baudelaire theory, "once dated and was dumped by your mom!!" However it would have ended, it does imply that the Baudelaires should have heard of Lemony.
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Post by Ennui on Feb 25, 2005 16:46:02 GMT -5
I agree...or indeed "accused of burning down both our houses." It's far from inconceivable that the blame for the Quagmire fire was pinned on Lemony too.
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Post by Flaneur on Feb 25, 2005 16:59:36 GMT -5
Oh, that's even better! Because the Quagmire fire was definitely pinned on Lemony, based on Mr. Helquist's letter - "I never believed the stories I read about you, Mr. Snicket, in relation to the Quagmire case or any other."
It's the pinning of the blame of the Baudelaire fire on him I'm not sure we have proof of.
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Post by Dante on Feb 25, 2005 17:01:10 GMT -5
Although, looking at Quigley's story, the Quagmire fire would have to have happened after the Baudelaire fire. And it is funny how Helquist refers to it as "the Quagmire case" as opposed to "the Quagmire fire."
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Post by PJ on Feb 25, 2005 23:02:56 GMT -5
Although, looking at Quigley's story, the Quagmire fire would have to have happened after the Baudelaire fire. And it is funny how Helquist refers to it as "the Quagmire case" as opposed to "the Quagmire fire." Perhaps there is more to the fire than we know of... |
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Post by songbird11989 on Feb 26, 2005 3:05:53 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Could Lemony be a lawyer? Because of the word case, it makes me think that could be possible. Like before he became part of VFD he was a well-respected lawyer and got tangled up in this whole mess and was accused of burning down the Bauds and Quags houses. Or maybe he was asked to testify in their court cases...[/glow]
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