Luigi
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Post by Luigi on Mar 22, 2004 21:31:56 GMT -5
I'm on page 67, but I know Natasha was a figment of Flan's imagination. I'm looking for proof in the books...
1. When F says to G and N "Cut it out, you two" "they" give her odd looks--because only two people were fighting, and one was F herself. 2. When F yells at the vice principal, N says "pretty soon you won't need me anymore." N is the stronger, smarter more outgoing side of F...soon, F will not need 2 personalities.
BUT The free ticket giveaway at drama-- eight tickets--eight people got tickets, with N and F--so wouldn't it be 7 tickets if N was a result of F's imagination?
Well, I'm familar with Daniel Handlers 'infamous loopholes...
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Post by Madamluna on Mar 23, 2004 8:52:34 GMT -5
CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE TOPIC NOW NOW NOW
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Post by BSam on Mar 23, 2004 8:55:38 GMT -5
it took me a second to see what you mean luna, but yeah...
there's no point warning about major spoilage if you say the major spoiler in the topic title
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Post by Hermedy on Mar 23, 2004 9:19:41 GMT -5
Wait, but didn't DH reveal in the book that Natasha isn't a real person?
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Post by Luigi on Mar 23, 2004 15:38:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but I'm looking for proof throughout the book...The whole Halloween party was enough evidence, though.
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Post by negativenine on Mar 23, 2004 17:16:53 GMT -5
Wait, but didn't DH reveal in the book that Natasha isn't a real person? But not everyone's read the book and wants it spoiled. The other proof I remember was at the party... when Natasha, Flan, Gabriel and pretty much everyone else engaged in baguette hitting. And there is at least one instance where Gabriel says something to Flan about Natasha... People even talk to Natasha. It didn't fit togther the first couple times I read it... but I guess if Flan was losing it and this was all from her point of view, things could be a little sketchy.
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Post by Mary on Mar 23, 2004 17:54:05 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I read it, so I don't remember specifically, but there is something about the implication that at times where there WERE 8 of something (like movie tickets) that one was actually for Flora Habistat whom Flan was reluctant to admit was becomeing part of the group. I don't know if that made sense. Maybe someone else can clarify.
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Post by negativenine on Mar 23, 2004 18:00:32 GMT -5
Yup... there's DEFINITELY a section (last chapter, I think) where they explain that Flora was actually a part of The Basic Eight in everyone else's eyes, but Flan just didn't accept it because she was thinking of Natasha instead.
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Post by Madamluna on Mar 23, 2004 21:12:49 GMT -5
Okay, this part has always confused me in the book. So on the huge ginormous Halloween entry, Flan starts up an almostporno scene with Natasha. If Natasha never existed, who was she almostspooning with? Just...herself I guess? Flora? *puzzle puzzle*
*lost her copy of TB8* ;_;
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Post by Luigi on Mar 24, 2004 15:25:02 GMT -5
Flan is Natasaha. Er...no, Natasha is Flan. WHen Natasha talksto someone else, it's Flan. When Natasha talks to FLan, it's her concious, I think.
Maybe NATASha is Satan....Natasha was not a good influence--Carr, Adam..
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Post by negativenine on Mar 24, 2004 22:05:46 GMT -5
Maybe not a good influence, but a good friend...
I guess seeing as how the whole book was about it NOT being a clut, it would be ironic and Handleresque for NATASha to be SATAN.
OOoooh! Supposedly if you play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards it has Satanic messages! Type "heaven backwards" into google... there are a couple pages.
But there are definitely Natasha interaction moments within The Basic 8... and her friends thought she was normal, didn't they? I mean, if she all of a sudden spazzed and turned into someone completely different, they'd probably notice, right?
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Post by Luigi on Mar 24, 2004 22:16:25 GMT -5
They are interacting with Flan, not Natasha, and then they catch on and at the last chapter they tell her that she's MPD.
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Post by negativenine on Mar 24, 2004 22:19:46 GMT -5
I know, but don't they know her for quite some time before they catch on? I mean, they've all known her a couple years and they're not stupid... you'd think they'd get it if it really was as much as the book made it out to be... But that's the beauty of it being from Flan's perspective, I guess: there's so much going on in her head and in real life that none of it has to make sense because it's from a gimped perspective. I
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Post by Celinra on Mar 26, 2004 13:55:13 GMT -5
Actually, MPD isn't really obvious to people. It's a thing one has from childhood, so it'd probably be no different to everyone else, until the end of the book when everything happens and she goes through trauma again which causes her to break down prettymuch. And if Natasha did talk to other people, it could very well be Flan watching herself, thinking it's Natasha... people with MPD often feel as though they're watching themselves from a distance, as if watching a movie, or someone else.
...I just did a project on MPD.
Granted, that's assuming it is MPD, but it seems to me that it fits.
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Post by Luigi on Apr 2, 2004 22:32:58 GMT -5
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