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Post by Hanna Squalor on Nov 10, 2005 19:39:00 GMT -5
Esme's last name was obviously concealed in the UAA. So now I'm wondering do you think the purpose was if she's dead possibly dead?
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 10, 2005 21:33:55 GMT -5
Esmé's maiden name is concealed, but I don't see why that would have anything to do with her dying or not. If she died at the end of TPP, she died as Esmé Squalor.
I think one reason might be that the young woman in "To Esmé' with Love and Squalor" is never given a last name, so Daniel Handler is honoring that.
I just think of her name before her marriage as "Esmé Geniveve Gigi."
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Post by lauren on Nov 10, 2005 23:10:54 GMT -5
really?? I've never read the book...so daniel concealed her last name to honour 'To Esmé' with Love and Squalor'...dang and here I was thinking there was some dark secret behind her last name. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/253263/images/aKebVqvfXozMvrLoISGi.gif) ...oh well
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Post by Dante on Nov 11, 2005 9:50:10 GMT -5
I used to think that there was some mystery behind it, and I think there still is - just another one that will never be answered (although it's probably to honour Salinger's short story yet further, too). I had a nice theory that she was born Esmé G.G. Orwell - just because it tied things together nicely.
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 12, 2005 9:13:06 GMT -5
Which would explain why she "waffles" between one fashion and the next. ;D
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Post by Dear Dairy on Nov 12, 2005 9:28:44 GMT -5
You guys are TOO punny funny.
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Post by Grace on Nov 13, 2005 7:40:15 GMT -5
I thought it was b/c her maiden name would relate her to somebody else, like MWBBNH or WWHBNB, assuming all people in the series have two siblings.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 13, 2005 8:18:16 GMT -5
I think the Sinister Duo are Olaf's siblings, myself, rather than related to Esme. And I suspect that Esme's maiden name could have been Genevive.
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Post by TopHat on Nov 14, 2005 14:52:53 GMT -5
Maybe her middle name is Geniveve or maybe it is love.
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Post by xcocox on Nov 14, 2005 19:58:01 GMT -5
Wow you guys are confusing me??Wasent the letter thing in LSUB before the marrage.
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Post by lauren on Nov 15, 2005 2:57:14 GMT -5
Maybe her middle name is Geniveve or maybe it is love. What do you mean maybe? Her middle name IS gigi geniveve
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Post by TopHat on Nov 15, 2005 6:19:59 GMT -5
whoops I meant maybe her last name is Genieve or Love.
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Post by Grace on Nov 15, 2005 15:14:27 GMT -5
I thought so too, Antenora, I'm just giving an example.
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Post by Hanna Squalor on Nov 15, 2005 16:21:22 GMT -5
I've always thought that Gigi Geniveve were both middle names. I know a lot of people with 2 my sister has two. Melina Eiven .
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Post by Flaneur on Nov 22, 2005 20:03:23 GMT -5
A few months ago I was listening to all the audiobooks to prepare myself for tPP (or tNN as I called it then), and something was said on this subject that caused me to think. I'm not able to recall where it was or precisely what the wording was - but somewhere it was said that Esmé Gigi Genevieve Squalor was the name she preferred to be known by. Squalor. This was after tEE, after she had left Jerome. It struck me at that moment that it was rather odd - why does she still wish to, prefer to, be identified with the puny Jerome, her marriage to whom has already served its purpose and been discarded? If I was her I'd go back to whatever my name had been before I took up with him. So, why? I thought maybe it just made for an even longer, grander name. But if that is what she is after, why not keep her maiden name, too, in addition to her middle and married names? It is certainly done; my mother now has four names because of this practice. Then I wondered if maybe it was because SHE does not want her maiden name known: not just Handler keeping it from us in the same way people are always cut off when about to speak of secrets, but Esmé being embarressed or what by her family name and keeping it hidden, having it smudged purposely in programs.
What does everyone think? Is it plausible, or too complicated? And if we think it might be so, any ideas what the incriminating name could be? This is all going by the idea that Gigi and Genevieve are joint middle names, by the way and of course.
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