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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 7, 2006 0:25:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always thought Beatrice must be related closely to the Baudelaires, otherwise Lemony wouldn't have much intrest in them, not at the lengths he does anyway.
I'm confused, does Beatrice #1 have peppermint allergies or have I read that very long answer to that question wrong?
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Post by noble on Oct 7, 2006 1:02:46 GMT -5
No i think your right, and can some one piz read my other post and give me feed back. its at the bottom of page 16
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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 7, 2006 2:07:30 GMT -5
I assume it would be hard for Lemony to retrive information to which the only witnesses were the Baudelaire children, which we don't think he has met personally. So I don't think we can call Lemony a villian based on his account of the Baudelaire story, no matter how far fetched it may be.
He'd have to make certain parts up to fill in the blanks, such as Sunny climbing up the elevator shaft with her teeth.
He is not exactly putting the (supposedly) noble people in a bad light anyway, so no, I don't think he's villianous just because of his research. That does not mean that he is not villianous, but it's most likely that he's a good person... unless Olaf is really the good person and Lemony is screwing it up something serious.
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Post by noble on Oct 7, 2006 21:59:42 GMT -5
Hmmmmm...i dont know...
PROOF:
1) he never shows his face, yes many argue that its to stop evil people from reconizing him but what if its to stop noble people from reconizing him .
2) Their is a part in one of the books that says "The Schism cause a separation...it was brother agianst brother" Jacues Snicket we know is good. we dont know about lemony. if it is brother agianst brother that that would make Lemony evil in theroy
3) the sinestersnicket said,
"He is not exactly putting the (supposedly) noble people in a bad light
anyway"
yes but if i was evil i wouldnt draw attention to myself by putting noble people in the bad light. that would be a dead give away. he ASLO dose not put un-noble people in the bad light just Count Olaf and his troupe.
4) before i show this next proof i must say that it is is based on the theroy that their are two beatrices beacuse i belive the LS to BB are on a completely diffrent timeline and BB to LS is further down the road. so if you put the letters in corinlgical order its LS to BB #1-6 then BB to LS #1-6. oK?
in letters LS to BB # 4 their is a coffe stian showing. in the next letter LS to BB #5 its the letter about beatrice refusal to marry him. most say the letter was intercepeted by R. and read but i belive Lemony left that stain and when beatrice saw it she knew lemony was in-noble so she refused to marry him.
With all due respect,
Noble
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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 7, 2006 22:51:35 GMT -5
The coffee stain = exploded marriage is a good one, but I don't believe Beatrice truly loved Lemony with all her heart. The sonnet says a lot, which I believe someone addressed earlier on in this topic.
My silence knot is tied up in my hair = Lemony Snicket is tied up in my mind
As if to keep love out of my eyes = Beatrice loved someone else? Was Lemony protecting her or did Lemony want her all to himself
I cannot speak to the one for whom I care = I cannot speak to the one I (really) love
A hatpin serves as part of my disguise = The hatpin represents an "I" in TBL, so this is saying "I serve as part of my disguise, and she is a "baticeer" in real life as well as in the play.
I have a theory about what is behind the last two lines too.
The curtain falls just as the knot unties = It all ends just as Lemony realises.
The silence broken by the one who dies = He is broken by the one who dies.
I'm kind of borderline on the whole Lemony noble/villian theory. Maybe if Beatrice liked Olaf... I think it said somewhere that it was Olaf's fault their relationship busted... A Series of Unforunate Events could be a grudge thing.
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Post by thistledown on Oct 8, 2006 15:08:28 GMT -5
Yeah, that the Daily Punctillio published a story about how Snicket was an arsonist...so Beatrice dumped him (and in my opinion) went with Bertrand. She probably had some fling with Olaf which is possibly why Olaf likes Violet so much.
(I think Snicket might be a villain...would be a cool twist to the story...but I'd be happy even if he wasn't so...)
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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 8, 2006 17:36:52 GMT -5
If Lemony Snicket is a villian, it's likely that we'd never find out. Lemony Snicket isn't about to come out straight in his own books that he's been the bad guy all along. It's going to be another question that wont be answered.
Olaf is a creepy, creepy man.
Edit:
Oh god, Olaf + Violet on island. GET THE POOR GIRL OUTA THERE!
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Post by SadOccasion on Oct 8, 2006 19:21:16 GMT -5
Oh god, Olaf + Violet on island. GET THE POOR GIRL OUTA THERE! I don't think Snicket will go there. The island seems inhabited from what I've read and heard about it, and sicne Olaf doesn't seem interested i nthat sort of thing i nthe first chapter, when they're ALL ALONE on a boat, I don't think it will go there. |
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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 8, 2006 20:40:09 GMT -5
I hope not.
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Post by noble on Oct 8, 2006 23:16:40 GMT -5
man i know we are off subject bad but i am gald that some people agree with me! If you guys find anything more piz tell me. it would relly help,
with all due respect,
Noble
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Post by noble on Oct 11, 2006 23:12:42 GMT -5
Dear fellow reserchers,
man dudes and dudets i cant wait for the end! finally all the questions rasied not on by the siries, but also vids, newsletters, and of course TBL will be answered.With only one day left i am taking a break from the reserch. I am prepareing myself for the end. Its been a while scince we met Violet, Klause, and Sunny; seven years if i am not mistaken. Its been fun but like all things it must end. It'll be sad saying good-bye..Man I dont know how it will end but i hope it ends with a bang.
With all due respect,
Noble
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Post by Dear Dairy on Oct 12, 2006 12:01:24 GMT -5
Noble, I hope you're right, but I fear the worst. My expectation is that the world of the Baudelaires will end, to quote poet T. S. Eliott, "not with a bang but a whimper." I don't expect all questions to be answered. Unfortunately, this series has turned me into a pessimist!
EDIT: Hold it! This post if off-topic. My apologies.
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Post by nathandiction on Oct 14, 2006 7:37:26 GMT -5
Dear Volunteers,
As I read the book, I kept a series of detailed notes: possible anagrams, clues, and names signified by one letter. I have a list of these letters, but I could not find a name for about half of them.
Who is:
R? Daughter of the Duchess of Winnipeg. No clue.
O? Olaf. Definitely.
I? Ike. He gave Lemony a paperweight of a lachrymose leech.
J? Jaques? Not sure.
G? Geraldine Julienne? She's said to write for the fashion section of the newspaper.
T?
I think these two might just be abbreviations of Tedia and Paltryville.
P?
E? Eleanora Poe.
L?
B? Bertrand?
M? Montgomery Montgomery.
J? Josephine Anwhistle.
Note: There were two J's, yes, but it seemed like they were different people.
C?
S?
N?
V?
Y?
Z?
A?
Those were all I could come up with. And corroborations will be greatly appreciated, but for now I'm off to have a Venetian Fish Dinner.
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Post by lacelle on Oct 26, 2006 23:25:12 GMT -5
Do we know who wrote the play, "The Silence Knot" ? After all, "Zombies in the Snow" was written by Sebald completely for code to the volunteers who watched it, and in LSUA, Count Olaf intercepted and rewrote a play called "The World Is Quiet Here" that was meant for volunteers to watch and get code from into something about being the most handsome man ever, or whatever. Perhaps, Beatrice wrote "The Silence Knot," therefore directing the entire play to Lemony, and the play was the other half of the sonnet.
Another theory to that effect might be that she wrote it/starred in it publicly as to throw people who were not noble off of her true intent, but wrote Lemony the sonnet as to alert him alone to it. That could also be the case with the letter that was never received, which would make it a big deal to have not been received.
The ten-year-old's note at the end confuses me a little bit. If BB2 (assuming she is younger, as she appears to be) wrote it, that would mean that by the time she was ten, she had her own office and business card, which, in the world of ASOUE and the VFD, isn't that unbelievable, but I'm not sure. Lemony, at the time, would have had the office below her, and by then he would have been much older than her, assuming he's the age of BB1, and/or the Baudelaire's parents. Therefore, the two working in the same place confuses me just a little bit, unless she is, in fact, lying about being ten, and the whole book of TBL and making her appear younger is just another one of Daniel Handler's ways of showing us, yet again, that we cannot assume anything, and nothing is truly as it seems.
That man confuses me so badly.
I am borrowing The End from my friend as soon as she finishes it. I am dying, meanwhile.
Also: Has anyone been able to collect all of the dedications in the beginnings of all the books and apply them to TBL?
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Post by saraswati on Oct 27, 2006 4:44:15 GMT -5
I just finished reading TBL for the first time, this is what I gather:
1. There are two Beatrices
2. Older Beatrice was in theather co-staring with Olaf b'coz in LS to BB #5 there's a Selbald(sp?) Code saying "Are you certain your co-star is one of us". I assume it was Olaf coz he is an actor and he's pretty much the only one under the bad light
But again this is a result of after school hour and first time reading it...
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