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Post by Dante on Sept 28, 2007 2:54:34 GMT -5
i gotta say ive read them and you guys are totally wrong im not gonna spoil it but you are!! Are you sure? We'd all be interested to see an alternative interpretation of the facts, and you can't really spoil an interpretation. It must be a remarkable theory if the rest of us haven't come up with it in the past year.
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Post by fordxprefect on Oct 3, 2007 9:08:23 GMT -5
Yah, it's mean to hold a theory over people's heads and not tell it to them.
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Post by quiethere on Oct 28, 2007 11:41:57 GMT -5
Here is my theory: There are two Beatrices. One Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mother. The other Beatrice is the daughter of Kit Snicket and is calling herself Beatrice Baudelaire because she doesn't know that she is a Snicket. The Baudelaire's mother was in love with Lemony. She said no to him. Maybe because she thought that he was dead. The younger Beatrice is named Beatrice because of the tradition of naming babies after dead lovedones/family members. She calls Violet,Klaus and Sunny her family because she was raised by them all alone on the island. She does know however that Lemony (lets call him/her Lemony) can help her. Maybe she knows of 'My Silence Knot' from the books and whatnot stored in the Aboretum. At the end of TE, Violet,Klaus,and Sunny along with Beatrice board the boat Violet repaired and sail back to the city. She is still a baby. Let us not forget that Sunny was one year old when she began to talk. So we can say that Sunny was not 4 or 5 when she was on the radio. And from TUA, we know that especially young children were an active part of VFD. Beatrice may have been seperated some how from the Baudelaire siblings. She also metions in a letter that her teacher is flat footed. So we might assume that she has the same teacher that Lemony had when he was a child. I am not sure if this makes sense or not, but that is my theory!!
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Post by Dante on Oct 28, 2007 12:26:32 GMT -5
Most people agree that the bulk of your theory is the correct interpretation of the information in The Beatrice Letters, so yes, your theory largely makes sense.
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Post by fordxprefect on Oct 30, 2007 10:35:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't the baby Beatrice be Beatrice Denoument, since (we assume) her dad is Dewey?
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Post by Dante on Oct 30, 2007 11:29:59 GMT -5
Although there is very little reason to doubt that baby Beatrice is the child of Dewey, we don't know if Kit and Dewey ever got married. They might never have had the time, or chance, given that Dewey isn't supposed to exist (and given that, if they had got married, Kit would still call herself Snicket). It's another one of those things we have to decide for ourselves.
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Post by quiethere on Nov 3, 2007 18:01:58 GMT -5
I agree with Dante.
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Post by Beatrice Extraordinaire on Nov 9, 2007 17:05:16 GMT -5
Uhm, maybe this has been addressed before, but I am still going to throw it out there. In a few of the letters they mention "O." & they describe his "one eye-browed face." Or something of that nature. Then, when Lemony writes , [LS to BB #5], "I'm certain she would have wanted you to keep it, even if your intent to marry me has changed, thanks to our classmate Co- I won't stain this letter with his name. The brightest star cannot shine through a cloud of dark smoke, and O. is the darkest clouds I have seen in our skies."
SO..."O., & Co-".. Count Olaf? & what does he have to do with Beatrice?
Also, He says: "Question Five: Three Children." Which leads me to the last page: "Question Twelve: See the answer to question five. Kit, Jacques, and myself."
They are siblings, correct?
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Post by quiethere on Nov 9, 2007 18:17:31 GMT -5
Yes, Kit, Jacques, and Lemony are all siblings. And yes, "Co-" and "O" are Count Olaf.
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Post by Beatrice Extraordinaire on Nov 9, 2007 19:28:34 GMT -5
So.. Beatrice & Olaf. What's the deal? Nobody knows?
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Post by Dante on Nov 10, 2007 3:33:43 GMT -5
It seems likely that Count Olaf was to some degree responsible for the publication of numerous criminal allegations against Lemony in The Daily Punctilio; Olaf pinned his various arson attacks on Lemony, and Beatrice believed it, possibly because Captain Widdershins insisted it was true. (Evidence to be found in TVV, TSS, TGG and the U.A.)
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Post by twotriplets on Feb 17, 2008 4:50:18 GMT -5
Here is what I know: *spoliler* I know that the letters from Beatrice is the second (aka Kit's daughter) like it says in the last letter (where there is no name) I know the letters from Lemony is sent to Beatrice the First (aka the Baudelaires mother) and we don't see the replies in the book. What I think: The last letter is from Lemony (alot of people think this, but the thing is, it could be -a crazy thought- Klaus! For all we know, it could be anyone.) The last letter from Beatrice 2 is not to Lemony Snicket the author: I think this because it is like Lemony Snicket to Beatrice or LS to BB (where it says on the top, like Lemony letters says LS to BB or in Beatrice's letters BB to LS) and in the first few letters, Beatrice says something like there are many people with LS and BB. So, it could be someone else with LS? There is also a letter from R. Oh, I just said that for nothing really That's all from me now.
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Post by jtb on Mar 2, 2008 14:58:37 GMT -5
Maybe, if my assumption that the name "Olaf" is, in fact, Olaf's last name, Kit's daughter's name might be Beatrice Olaf? What if Dewey is a red herring? We know that Kit and he loved each other, but as mentioned before we don't know for a fact that Beatrice is their daughter. Now, seeing in TE Olaf's actions and words, we are led to believe that at one point Kit and Olaf were involved, whether as an actual "I love you" relationship or... something else, if you catch my drift. If Olaf promised to do that one last time, he'd have kissed her before as well, of course. Now, that first time when they kissed, it is not totally out of the question that is when our young Beatrice was conceived. So my point is, if Olaf is the Count's last name, the daughter's last name could be Olaf or Denouement, depending on with who Kit had sex with, if she even did have sex with Olaf.
Peace.
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Post by jman on Mar 16, 2008 17:57:47 GMT -5
In TE, Olaf seems to talk as if he and Kit were lovers years ago, not 9 months earlier.
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Post by rsee on May 26, 2008 5:36:11 GMT -5
Is it possible that there are 2 Beatrices: Violet, Klaus and Sunnys mum, and Kit's Daughter? Is it at all possible that Beatrice (V,K and S's mum) had 2 sisters and a brother that died in a fire that destroyed the place she lived in, and so named her 3 children after them? I would also like everyone to note that the second-last letter is from Beatrice when 10 years old and so not necessarily in order. Sorry if these points have already been dragged up.
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