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Post by tex mexx on Dec 28, 2003 22:27:35 GMT -5
well, think about it, no one gives him a chance to speak his mind. The only person that I see giving him a chance to speak about this situation was Martin Bashir and he really didnt do a good job of supporting MJ.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 28, 2003 22:38:58 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't know about that, he should get a chance to speak his mind. But when someone is accused of child molesting, people don't usually give them a chance no matter who are they are. Which really suck especially if they're innocent. Do you support MJ?
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Post by tex mexx on Dec 28, 2003 22:40:15 GMT -5
Yeah i guess. All I can say about MJ is that he is one sad, or at least strange, man..
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 28, 2003 22:41:54 GMT -5
Yes he is. Which is why I think people are already likley to believe he'd be capable of this. He's already stange so why not have him be a child molester?
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Post by tex mexx on Dec 28, 2003 22:45:01 GMT -5
true. I think he is just one really messed up person who always wants to be all over the press, whether it be good or bad, mostly bad.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 28, 2003 22:49:02 GMT -5
No, no one wants to have press for this. Cuz I mean if he gets cleared for all of this his career is ruined beyond repair. The damage has been done. He was already questionable and then this will hang over his head for the rest of his life. No one will be able to forget this, he career will just go from bad to worse.
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Post by tex mexx on Dec 28, 2003 22:52:28 GMT -5
but I thought his carear was already destroyed. He really doesn't have a carear in music anymore, i think. But, MJ can always run for governor of California to get back on track.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 28, 2003 22:56:23 GMT -5
Well it kinda was but this is like the final nail in coffin then. Oh gosh, poor Arnold, I actually kinda like him.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 28, 2003 23:46:50 GMT -5
Oh goodness long post. I was the almost exact opposite of you swans. I question teachers and authoirty, I love questioning authority because I don't nessecairly think it's good. I think people should question things and not just believe what your told cuase what your told isn't always right. I did disrespect my teachers in front of the class cause I didn't have a problem saying what the rest of the class was thinking. I'm the complete oppostie of my parents and I think it's important they know.. I try to show them who I am, it does make thems more problematic but it's just become so important to me that they understand me. Sometimes I don't have enough self controll to be classy or proper and I kind of like it.
As for teaching if you think the childern are going to be to much to handle then you put them in a postion where no matter what they will always seem unruly. And yeah if you think kids are brats and then maybe you shouldn't teach. If you treat someone like a brat then they'll act like one. I think you have to have a certain amount of controll, calm, openess, and friendless to be a teacher. And I don't think you are being evil when you told that kid to sit out or at camp. They were out of line. Sometimes kids are and sometimes they aren't. Some kids are brats. But when it comes to that I think children should be given the benifit of the doubt, sometimes it just easier to be what someone thinks you are then to spend the time and enegry proving your something else.
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Post by ponygirl's vapor on Dec 28, 2003 23:58:15 GMT -5
Some adults are brats too. But sometimes, when you're in a group of people you feel the need to show off to them. I've noticed that. It's kinda funny too, well until someone gets hurt. hehe, then its not funny.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 29, 2003 0:04:18 GMT -5
Everything is funny until someone gets hurt. And then it depends on how much someone got hurt because it can still be funny. I was going to say adults are brats too sometimes at the end of my post but I didn't. Some adults are brats.
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Post by ponygirl's vapor on Dec 29, 2003 0:06:15 GMT -5
Bratty adults disgust me. They're even worse than children and kids and teens who are brats. You would think after 20 to whatever years of living they'd at least learn something.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 29, 2003 0:09:03 GMT -5
I think I agree with you. What's your definition of bratty? Some kids are brats simply because they don't know any better, it's not their fault they just haven't been taught right.
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Post by Charles Vane on Dec 29, 2003 16:03:46 GMT -5
It just hit me that I had wanted to post about this last night when I saw your post but I was too busy. So I'm here now.
I don't just start screaming and yelling in the middle of class if theres something I have a problem with. Sometimes we were given chances to speak in class, sometimes there were times I could talk to the teachers. If one person in our grade got in trouble we were all punished. Seriously someone wrote grafiti on the bathroom wall and we all were in trouble. And we knew who did it. We said so. We even proved it, but it didn't matter. The principal told us if we had a problem with things then to come and talk to her. So me and my friend did. She made us wait for 30 minutes, pretending like we weren't even there untill she told us she couldn't talk and she didn't have any openings to meet with us. I once got in trouble with her because I knocked on a bathroom door to see who was in there and the girl in there got mad and kicked the door down. And I was in trouble for it! So I stood up to her. And yeah i was a magee to her, because if she treats me that way I'm gonna treat her that way. But I respected the other teachers because they respected me. They knew I was a good girl. They let me speak my opinions. Not that it helped anything any but it can still be good to know your respected by someone.
I agree with all your examples. That's completley bratty, it not taking the consequences for your actions. And yes some teachers just have a bad day I try to understand that which is one of the reasons why I like higschool better. Because they have a bad day then they are better the next day. They are actually good teachers. And I really like and apperciate them. But then I do have a lot of brats at my school and I know i wouldnt want to teach them because they have no respect for anyone or themselves. Then there are lots of good people at my school who want to learn, who have good atitudes, and when i think of people like that, i sort of want to go into teaching myselfbecause I think they out weigh all the bad.
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Post by DetectiveDupin on Dec 29, 2003 17:41:43 GMT -5
Yeah.
Adults can be just as brattish. Take my headmaster-he has serious dislikes on certain children-so he likes to tell them off more. I'm seriously not just saying it, but he hates my brother and is really tight on him all the time. He's only 8! He constantly moves Charlie to the front of the class and stuff and is really mean. He never gives children a chance to explain things. If it looks like I was chatting about football or whatever then I am. Maybe I was asking someone whay hymn we were singing-but i don't get a chance to say what really happened.
Anway, back onto the real topic, MJ.
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