Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Jun 21, 2004 19:17:52 GMT -5
Do you think that religious and governmental affairs should be kept separate? I think so, but it seems that our current president doesn't. Bush and I disagree on a lot of things, if you haven't noticed that before. I was raised in a liberal family, with no specific religion, and share many of my parents' views. And I'm also against "under God" in the pledge, a related issue.
What are your views on this issue?
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Post by Amphagorey on Jun 21, 2004 19:39:55 GMT -5
Keep them seperate. America is a "melting-pot" of cultures (or at least that's what America says. I don't know because I'm Canadian) and to be more leniant towards a Christian based pledges or whatever is not good.
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Post by Amphagorey on Jun 21, 2004 20:35:00 GMT -5
GO CANUCKS! Their the Vancouver Hockey Team. Yow... Don't I seem Canadian eh?
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Post by Celinra on Jun 21, 2004 23:32:16 GMT -5
GO CANUCKS! Their the Vancouver Hockey Team. Yow... Don't I seem Canadian eh? Well, you generally haven't been adding "eh?" So, it was hard to tell. I've seen the movie "Strange Brew" a lot. Meaning, I could probably pass for a (stereotypical) Canadian if I had to. And horray for the Vancouver Canucks! Although they're not my home team... Anyways...I stick by what I've said before about the pledge. Leave the "under God" in there, but don't force people to say it... let them be silent, or let them replace it with something else. I do wonder... if it had originally been "under Allah" or something like that, what would the position on it be now? Would people still be saying to take it out and allow for all religions? Or would they be saying that taking out "Allah" is discriminating against Muslims, so it must be kept in? And actually... now that I look at it from that perspective (I don't think I ever really did that before), I can understand better than ever why people would want it taken out. So, if they feel they must do something, I think they should at least leave a space where "under God" now is, and allow for people to 'fill in the blanks' if they want, so no particular one is forced on people, but people are free to say the well-known version if they want, without being fined or anything.
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Post by Pester, Rumormonger on Jun 21, 2004 23:54:48 GMT -5
I think that there should be moderation in this kind of thing. While we don't want to force to bow to someone they don't even believe exist, the ACLU and others are a bit ridiculous about how seperate they should be. They go off tearing crosses off of government gravestones and such.
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Post by Celinra on Jun 21, 2004 23:58:08 GMT -5
I think that there should be moderation in this kind of thing. While we don't want to force to bow to someone they don't even believe exist, the ACLU and others are a bit ridiculous about how seperate they should be. They go off tearing crosses off of government gravestones and such. Yeah, that's a bit extreme. Especially since it's really something not affecting them. I mean, not wanting to say something you don't believe in is one thing, but taking crosses of gravestones no one is even forcing you to look at? That's just... urg.
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Post by timartwonis on Jun 22, 2004 0:05:33 GMT -5
Random Canadian Fact: My dad has lots of Canadian friends who talk with an accent and all you Canadians say that you don't have accents and haven't heard of it, but I have noticed it.
Have any of you heard of the movie Brother Sun, Sister Moon? It's about the separation of the secular world and the religious one. We watched it in religion class with Sistah B.
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Post by Celinra on Jun 22, 2004 0:10:22 GMT -5
Random Canadian Fact: My dad has lots of Canadian friends who talk with an accent and all you Canadians say that you don't have accents and haven't heard of it, but I have noticed it. Have any of you heard of the movie Brother Sun, Sister Moon? It's about the separation of the secular world and the religious one. We watched it in religion class with Sistah B. Canadians do have accents, but, for the most part, it's not as large an accent as they're stereotypically portrayed to have. I impressed a Canadian camp counselor once because I knew the Canadian national anthem... I didn't tell him it's because I've been to so many hockey games. Another interesting tidbit is that the worship leader at my church sings the national anthem at the hockey games sometimes. On topic: I haven't heard of that movie. Is it any good? Would you recommend going and seeing it?
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Jun 22, 2004 9:14:29 GMT -5
Anyways...I stick by what I've said before about the pledge. Leave the "under God" in there, but don't force people to say it... let them be silent, or let them replace it with something else. The problem with that is the children(and others) who choose not to say it will be stigmatized, and stand out in a bad way. I always change it to "many gods", and fortunately no one hears the difference. My teacher has never caught on, but if she ever did I think I'd be in trouble. And I'd see the principal, and end up getting my parents to argue my case, and eventually end up on the editorials page. I don't particularly want that, so I say it quietly. That seems like a better idea. However, it would sound rather odd as schoolchildren reciting the pledge suddenly went out of sync after "one nation" and were heard to say the names of various Gods, or nothing at all. But that is the price we pay for fairness.
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Post by timartwonis on Jun 22, 2004 9:19:05 GMT -5
Canadians do have accents, but, for the most part, it's not as large an accent as they're stereotypically portrayed to have. I impressed a Canadian camp counselor once because I knew the Canadian national anthem... I didn't tell him it's because I've been to so many hockey games. Another interesting tidbit is that the worship leader at my church sings the national anthem at the hockey games sometimes. On topic: I haven't heard of that movie. Is it any good? Would you recommend going and seeing it? It was ok except there was a nude scene where Freancesco walked around town with aabolutely nothing on but we were able to get the teacher to fastforward through that and it's ffrom the 70s so it gets a little cheesy.
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Post by Amphagorey on Jun 22, 2004 12:50:53 GMT -5
American's have the accent, not us... Well, maye people from Nova Scotia, even we can tell they have accents. But in Van-city, it's pretty accent-less. Although we are pretty multi-cultural so we have Asian accents and Muslim accents, but that's about it.
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Post by rhapsodyinblue on Jun 22, 2004 15:58:43 GMT -5
www.colleagueonline.org/undergod.htmI thought that might be an interesting thread that might contribute to this thread. In any case, I think the government should be concerned with the practical, political issues of the country, because it's not as if God has anything to do with politics.
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Jun 23, 2004 10:24:51 GMT -5
No one has anything to say about that case that was thrown out? I thought you guys would be really mad. Anyways if you didn't hear about the case here you go (http://www.sfbg.com/38/39/x_techsploitation.html), and I even used a rather liberal source. The title of the article is "F*** God" and is written by Annalee Newitz (fatherfigure@techsploitation.com) is a surly media nerd and commie pinko Jew whose father used to cook the family dinner every night. Her column also appears in Metro, Silicon Valley's weekly newspaper.I didn't know much about that case, but I am mad. That article also mentioned the possibility of putting the word "equality" in the pledge, which I am all for. The pledge is beginning to look anachronistic, and no matter what Bush thinks, we do not all bow to one God. If we could take out "under God" and put in "equality" in the pledge, it would sound odd for a while, but it'd be better.
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Post by timartwonis on Jun 23, 2004 16:55:21 GMT -5
Just a random thing that I saw on the news that sort of has to do with this subject. I think this is really disturbing because I go ot a Sacred Heart school. A teacher from Sacred Heart on 91st street (I've been to that school and we met all of the students at the bicentennial) in NYC was making online plans to have sex with what he thought was 14 year old girls but was actually a detective online. That really freaked me out because I thought that Sacred Heart schools were more careful about choosing teachers and you'd think that they'd be able to tell that he was a shady character. He was a history school and 91st street is also an all girls school. I feel really bad for the girls who go there.
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Post by Soidanae on Jun 29, 2004 22:56:47 GMT -5
*moans* I can not abide church and state together. It results, eventually, into a dictatorship where the ruler is given divine power. And religious wars. And discrimination.
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