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Post by Dante on Apr 11, 2011 5:46:27 GMT -5
Yep, Hugo does indeed cook well. Consult Chapter Eight of TCC - there's no criticism to be had of his tom ka gai.
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Post by colette on Apr 11, 2011 5:48:26 GMT -5
But it wasn't mentioned that Baudelaires enjoyed it.
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Post by Dante on Apr 11, 2011 8:47:35 GMT -5
Nor was it mentioned that they didn't. I think the narrator implies that it's quite good and they would have been able to appreciate it if they weren't too busy thinking of their own troubles, though.
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Post by csc on Apr 13, 2011 17:24:32 GMT -5
Actually, the narrator says that about Sunny´s hot chocolate.
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Post by colette on Apr 13, 2011 23:21:11 GMT -5
But Sunny made it delicious, not Hugo.
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Post by Dante on Apr 14, 2011 3:15:43 GMT -5
I'm talking about this part from the start of Chapter Eight:
I think it's pretty obvious here that the soup is actually quite delicious and the Baudelaires just aren't in the mood to fully appreciate that; their minds are elsewhere. But if it wasn't very good, they certainly wouldn't have finished every drop of it, and it sounds like quite a complicated dish to prepare anyway.
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Post by colette on Apr 14, 2011 7:38:24 GMT -5
I would like to eat this soup once.
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Post by The Duchess on Sept 25, 2013 14:58:09 GMT -5
Telling stories while eating bananas isn't a talent. Everyone can do that.
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Post by Dante on Sept 26, 2013 2:35:56 GMT -5
You could argue that anyone can take a photograph or draw a map or remember a fact they've read, they just might not do as good a job of it as Kit (maybe), Quigley, and Klaus. Mr. Remora's talent may not be a very useful or prestigious one but he has mastered it.
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 1, 2013 1:33:27 GMT -5
fixed it
Violet Baudelaire: Inventing Klaus Baudelaire: Researching Sunny Baudelaire: Biting, then cooking Duncan Quagmire: Journalism Isadora Quagmire: Poetry (specifically, couplets) Quigley Quagmire: Cartography (drawing maps) Count Olaf: Acting, scheming Lemony Snicket: Researching, playing the accordian Arthur Poe: Banking Bertrand Baudelaire: Cooking Beatrice Baudlaire: Acting Esme Squalor: Acting, financial advising Jerome Squalor: Researching Fernald Widdershins: Acting Fiona Widdershins: Mycology (studying mushrooms) Montgomery Montgomery: Herpetology (studying reptiles) Carmelita Spats: Being a royal pain in the ass Vice Principal Nero: Violin playing (even though he's actually horrible at it) Josephine Anwhistle: Grammar Hector: Cooking (specifically Mexican food) Dewey Denouement: Library Science Jacques Snicket: Jouranlism Geraldine Julienne: Journalism Justice Strauss: Law Georgina Orwell: Optometry Mr. Remora: Story-telling while eating bananas Mrs. Bass: Metric measuring Dante: punk ass book jockey
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Post by moseymoo on Dec 16, 2013 18:16:24 GMT -5
I really like the point that only the "good" characters display both a talent and an interest in the same skill: it illustrates the way in which certain characters are the good/bad counterparts to others ie Beatrice is "good" because she both is skilled at acting and enjoys it; whereas Esme is her "bad" counterpart because she pursues a career in acting yet we assume (in part because of her association with Olaf) that she possesses no skill for it.
I think perhaps that it is less that certain characters has certain 'skills', and maybe more the case that each character is identified (or differentiated if you like) by one particular trait, a sort of personal signature. For many characters (like Nero) it is a hobby or pursuit; but for other characters, like Charles, it is more a unique facet of their personality, ie his constant supplication to Sir.
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Post by Dante on Dec 17, 2013 2:26:05 GMT -5
I see your argument, moseymoo; the likes of Esmé and Olaf are interested in acting, but have no talent at it - although there is a bit of a paradox in that particular instance as while Olaf may not be a very entertaining actor or one who can fool the Baudelaires, it's clear he has the power to deceive a great many people, and Esmé was even more capable. So perhaps their deficiency lies somewhere else - in their taste or the ends they turn their talents to, or even in their willingness to sometimes squander their talents on ends that are unworthy.
I feel like the "special skill" idea does break down later on. It's useful for assigning character roles in the early series, where we only have basic one-note or one-interest characters like Monty or the Quagmires, but later we get more able and flexible figures like Kit Snicket or indeed more abstract ones like the sinister duo who can't be reduced in the same way. I think it would have been an interesting gimmick to give V.F.D. - for everyone to train in a single specialism - but it's one that I think is abandoned and certainly isn't evident in ATWQ.
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Post by moseymoo on Dec 17, 2013 15:23:59 GMT -5
Hmm yes, I think perhaps that breakdown of particular character traits in the later novels is perhaps indicative of the breakdown of a black and white moral code: as the Baudelaires begin to question their own morality in the later books, the ancillary characters tend to become less polarised and occupy a rather more murky moral grey area...
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