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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 25, 2012 10:11:37 GMT -5
I know I've made this thread before, but it was two years ago and new people have come here since then. Here's my take on it.
Violet, Klaus, and Sunny Baudelaire: Jewish
Beatrice Baudelaire: Jewish
Bertrand Baudelaire: Catholic
Snickets: Jewish
Mr. Poe: Methodist
Justice Strauss: Jewish
Monty Montgomery: Catholic
Josephine Anwhistle: Jewish
Sir: Greek Orthodox
Charles: Greek Orthodox. Raised Jehovah's Witness.
Phil: Unitarian Universalist
Carmelita Spats: Catholic
Vice Principal Nero: He doesn't have time for religion. He's too busy practicing the violin.
Quagmires: Episcopalian
Jerome Squalor: Jewish. Mother was raised Baptist.
Esme Squalor: Raised Catholic, but converted to Judaism.
Hector: Jewish
Hal: Sikh
Olivia and Thursday Caliban: Muslim
Hugo: Jewish
Kevin: Raised Catholic, but became Atheist.
Colette: Raised Catholic, but became Atheist.
Fernald and Fiona: Mother was Episcopalian and father was Catholic, but they had a secular upbringing.
Captain Widdershins: Presbyterian
Denouements: Catholic father and Anglican mother, but they had a secular upbringing.
Friday Caliban: Greek Orthodox after being adopted by Charles and Sir.
Duchess R: Catholic
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Post by soufflé on Mar 25, 2012 12:23:02 GMT -5
For me, I always thought of them as follows:
Violet, Klaus, and Sunny Baudelaire: Episcopalian/Anglican
Beatrice Baudelaire: Episcopalian/Anglican
Bertrand Baudelaire: Catholic
Snickets: Kit & Jacques are Episcopalian (as are the parents) and Lemony is Agnostic
Mr. Poe: Catholic
Justice Strauss: Catholic
Monty Montgomery: Agnostic
Josephine Anwhistle: Jewish
Sir: Athiest
Charles: Greek Orthodox
Phil: Buddhist
Carmelita Spats: Catholic
Vice Principal Nero: He doesn't have time for religion. He's too busy practicing the violin.
Quagmires: Parents were Catholic, Duncan is non-practicing Catholic, Quigley and Isadora are Agnostic
Jerome Squalor: Catholic
Esme Squalor: She changes it depending on what's in.
Hector: Jewish
Hal: Greek Orthodox
Olivia and Thursday Caliban: Baptist
Hugo: Jewish
Kevin: Catholic
Colette: Atheist
Fernald and Fiona: Fernald is Catholic and Fiona is Atheist
Captain Widdershins: Presbyterian
Denouements: Parents were Anglican but they grew up to be Greek Orthodox
Ishmael: Taoist
Miranda Caliban: Catholic
Friday Caliban: Catholic
Duchess R: Catholic
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 12:54:33 GMT -5
I think I'll have Beatrice Baudelaire be Jewish and Bertrand Baudelaire be Lutheran. They raise their kids non-religiously, though. The Quagmires were all raised Catholic - but triplets all, eventually, find their own beliefs. I think I decided to have Isadora become a Neo-Pagan, while Quigley subscribes to omnism (the belief that all gods ever thought of exist, and then there is truth in all religions). Duncan, if I recall correctly, I had become agnostic.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 25, 2012 12:59:03 GMT -5
You have an interesting list, Sophie. I wonder what made the Denouements convert to Greek Orthodox.
I can't believe that I forgot to include Count Olaf. Count Olaf has a Lutheran mother and Russian Orthodox father. He had a secular upbringing.
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Post by soufflé on Mar 25, 2012 13:41:25 GMT -5
For me, Olaf was raised Catholic but grew up to become an Atheist.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 15:09:25 GMT -5
I actually borrowed the idea of the Baudelaires from Judy Blume's book, Are You There God It's Me Margaret. One parent was raised Jewish, the other parent was raised Christian - and they opt to not raise their children on a religion.
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Post by Invisible on Mar 25, 2012 16:05:45 GMT -5
I haven't really thought this, but I do have a few. Count Olaf was raised as Catholic, but he gave it up to be with Kit. Kit, Jacques and Lemony are Jewish. Kit converted to Catholicism, but she and Olaf broke up, she became Atheist. Josephine was raised as Catholic, but she later became Atheist.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 17:16:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking that the Baudelaires mostly subscribe to being "spiritual but not religious" - which I think Judy Blume's book helped to popularize.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 25, 2012 17:48:12 GMT -5
I actually borrowed the idea of the Baudelaires from Judy Blume's book, Are You There God It's Me Margaret. One parent was raised Jewish, the other parent was raised Christian - and they opt to not raise their children on a religion. I've read that book. I think what her parents did was a good idea, even though Margaret seemed to disagree with that.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 18:08:29 GMT -5
Yeah, Margaret did spend much of the book questioning what she believed in - but, ultimately, she ended up choosing her own spiritual path.
I understand that many people hold strong religious views - and, as such, they want their children to follow the same religion as they do. The problem with that, though, if that children are also individuals - and are not extensions of their parents.
Of course, there's also the possible dilemma of what could be called the "Alex P Keaton syndrome" - where progressive parents end up with children who hold conservative views. Do you think it's hypocritical for progressive parents to claim that conservative parents who push their beliefs onto their children are stifling their children's individuality, and then feel conflicted if their own children turn out to be more conservative? I guess all parents, to some degree, want their children to share in their views - whether they happen to progressive or conservative. Such ethical quandaries as this makes me glad that I'm not a parent.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 25, 2012 18:16:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Is "Alex P Keaton syndrome" a term you came up with yourself?
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 18:39:59 GMT -5
Yes, and no. I thought of that term on my own - and then I decided to search Google, to see if anyone else also thought of it. There weren't too many results, but there were a few.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Mar 25, 2012 19:16:25 GMT -5
Yes, and no. I thought of that term on my own - and then I decided to search Google, to see if anyone else also thought of it. There weren't too many results, but there were a few. They do say that great minds think alike.
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Post by Very Funky Disco on Mar 25, 2012 23:27:10 GMT -5
Very true. There was one person, I recalled, who used the term to describe Alex reconciling himself with the idea of not going to an Ive League college - as originally planned. There were a few others who used it just to refer to children rebelling against their parents' values, in general. That one is quite common, though - and probably more common of children who were raised with fairly authoritarian parents. It probably does happen that some children grow to become more conservative and/or authoritarian than their progressive parents - but it's probably not as common. I think Family Ties exaggerated it a bit, though. I mean, what baby would have a Richard Nixon rattle - and how would he even get one? I still have to think of what Jerome Squalor and Justice Strauss are. I might have Jerome be raised Catholic, and Justice Strauss be raised in some Protestant denomination. They probably tell Friday and Bertie about God, read Bible stories to them, and occasionally go to church - but they're not overly religious. On the island, I don't think Ishmael approved of religion. Bertie and Bea, as they get older, decide that heavy metal is really the only "religion" for them - and they use the term "religion" facetiously. And I agree that Nero is "too busy practicing his violin" to care about religion. Also, I don't see Carmelita really being religious. She'd probably think religion is for "cakesniffers".
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Post by colette on Mar 29, 2012 4:14:48 GMT -5
I have already posted it, so I copied the text.
Violet, Klaus and Sunny-Jewish
Berthrand-Jewish
Beatrice-Irish Catholic
Snickets-Jewish
Denouements-Jewish
Count Olaf-Jewish
Countess Eleanor(Count Olaf's mother)-Jewish
Count Herald(Count Olaf's dad)-Atheist
Jerome Squalor-Protestant
George Squalor(Jerome's brother)-Protestant
Grace Squalor(George's daughter and Jerome's niece)-Protestant
Esme Squalor-Irish Catholic
Duncan and Quigley Quagmire-Irish Catholic
Isadora Quagmire-Satanist
Olivia Caliban(Madame Lulu) and Thursday Caliban-Muslim
Widdershinses(whole family)-Muslim
Miranda and Friday-Irish Catholic
Sir and Charles-Irish Catholic
Hugo, Colette and Kevin-Irish Catholic
Jane Browning( white-faced women1)-Jewish(by the way, different religion is one of reasons why she dislikes Fernald)
Jennifer Browning(white-faced women2)-Jewish, too, but much more tolerant than her elder sister.
Luis(bald guy)-Atheist
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