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Patriotism
Dec 20, 2013 23:04:01 GMT -5
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Post by penne on Dec 20, 2013 23:04:01 GMT -5
Patriotism: healthy display of pride or gateway to xenophobia?
Discuss.
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Post by Charlie on Dec 20, 2013 23:08:20 GMT -5
The second one. But hey, I still insist that Australia is better than everywhere else, sooooo.
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Patriotism
Dec 20, 2013 23:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by BSam on Dec 20, 2013 23:16:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but were not.
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Patriotism
Dec 20, 2013 23:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by BSam on Dec 20, 2013 23:27:15 GMT -5
I mean we are better than everyone else., but do we need to be so racist about it?
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Post by Charlie on Dec 20, 2013 23:44:28 GMT -5
No. And I try not to be, and I find it annoying when people say it, but deep within my heart, I believe.
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Post by Teleram on Dec 21, 2013 1:34:28 GMT -5
It depends on who is being patriotic.
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Post by bandit on Dec 21, 2013 2:00:28 GMT -5
I agree with Teleram; if an Asian-American family has a flag out on their front porch, that's all fine and dandy, but if there's a white guy with an American flag... whoo boy, that's a sure sign of an ignorant Republican.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Dec 21, 2013 4:39:07 GMT -5
It's not the guy's fault that he's white, so why should he have less rights?
Patriotism is kind of forbidden here because people have been stupid in the past. You only ever see flags when there are really big important world-wide sport things, and even then it's mostly foreign flags. So for me it already seems very patriotic that there are flags in schools in the US, and also that they have to say that thing in the morning at schools, it's like "Okay, how can they even be allowed to do that?!?"
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Post by BSam on Dec 21, 2013 9:15:49 GMT -5
now there's a potato ing understatement.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Dec 21, 2013 9:29:18 GMT -5
Yes I know, but everyone knows what I mean so I didn't think it's necessary to look for words.
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Post by BSam on Dec 21, 2013 9:56:47 GMT -5
i understand, but i stand by my words It depends on who is being patriotic. i almost agree with anka by disagreeing with this, but probably in a different way. in australia not wanting people who identify with another country to fly that countries flag is oppressive against them, people who move here should assimilate to an extent, because it will make their life easier here. but it should be in no way forced. in no way. so the bad people are the ones who DON'T want other countries flags here on the other hand people who fly our own flag. we know you're australia, you live here, you don't need to prove it with a flag, we're not america, we're not supposed to be arrogantly proud of our country, that's the americans job. so the bad people are the ones who feel the need to make sure everyone knows how australian they are by flying our flag. i mean, again no one should be able to stop you flying the flag, but you are basically marking yourself as racist. 'i'm more australian than you all here's my flag to prove it." so no one is saying 'white' people shouldn't fly a flag, but it does make the racists easier to avoid.
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Post by BSam on Dec 21, 2013 9:57:37 GMT -5
also, pen, you can't ask an either or question and have the poll be yes or no.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Dec 21, 2013 10:53:53 GMT -5
I sometimes think that I don't like when people who come from other countries live here are like "our country is so much better than this one where we live now." I wonder why they are here then, and don't live where it's so much better. But then I remember that most of them aren't really immigrants themselves, they were born here but their parents or grandparents immigrated, so these people only see the country they talk about in the holidays, and I understand that they like it there then, because I like holidays too.
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Post by penne on Dec 21, 2013 12:38:00 GMT -5
I hate that too, Anka. But the only people I've heard say that were arrogantly patriotic. They were also all american, but you can interpret that any way you like. also, pen, you can't ask an either or question and have the poll be yes or no. Oh, that was just me being hilarious again. Yes means patriotism is a healthy way to show your pride, no means it's a gateway to xenophobia. That was probably stupid, I'll edit the poll if I can.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Dec 21, 2013 13:24:10 GMT -5
on the other hand people who fly our own flag. we know you're australia, you live here, you don't need to prove it with a flag ... so the bad people are the ones who feel the need to make sure everyone knows how australian they are by flying our flag. i mean, again no one should be able to stop you flying the flag, but you are basically marking yourself as racist. 'i'm more australian than you all here's my flag to prove it." so no one is saying 'white' people shouldn't fly a flag, but it does make the racists easier to avoid. I agree about waving flags of your country when you're living there, but I don't see what it has to do with racism. in theory it doesn't really have anything to do with skin colour, but with nationalism. like when some polish people hate germans, or some british or germans hating polish immigrants are just some examples of skin colour not being part of it at all, but it's still nationalism. patriotism is a very broad term, and includes links to things I detest, but the basic definition of it I'm okay with. Like, I think it's cool when artists (musicians/directors/painters/etc) explore and/or speak in favour of their heritage in their art, and show what it's like to be part of/live in that country. I also think it's cool when people are interested in the culture of the countries they are related to, and know a lot about it. There are so many countries and cultures, so if it's not your vocation to study all this stuff, at least be knowledgable about the place you come from. I respect it when people do.
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