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Post by zinthaniel on Jan 5, 2017 16:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by gliquey on Jan 5, 2017 16:52:27 GMT -5
Nice interview, and I was glad to see Louis Hynes likes Black Mirror, one of my favourite ever shows. The Collider review was kind of hard on the child actors I think. The two-dimensional claim is a little unfair when that's true of the writing of the first four books (And likely not the fault of acting). It's really not until book five that we see the Baudelaire's flaws start to pop up, making them more real and three-dimensional. Up until then they are almost too perfect and nice to a point where they suffer great pain for the sake of not wanting to be rude (Which makes sense at the very beginning, but becomes ridiculous pretty quickly). I disagree with this. I think Klaus in particular is flawed right from the first book: he doesn't know when to keep quiet and he, and sometimes even Violet, sometimes can't control their anger. I'm contradicting Snicket himself by saying this, but I think the children get more and more perfect as the series progresses, and despite the whole 'fight fire with fire' and 'are the Baudelaires turning into villains themselves?' theme of the last few books, I think they are less flawed in later books, not more. But I can't judge whether the Collider's comments were justified or not until I actually see the show - other reviews have said the child actors were fine. I'm pretty sure it's been stated in an interview that the episodes will be titled "The Bad Beginning part one", "The Bad Beginning part two" "The Reptile Room part one", etc. Don't remember the exact source though. I'll personally be totally OK with that kind of naming, given how an adaptation of each book is a two-parter. The only time I remember seeing this was on IMDb, which is not very reliable, so unless it appeared somewhere else I would be a bit skeptical that those are the actual episode titles. I suppose I would be fine with that naming, but I'd love it if they came up with eight alliterative titles of their own.
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Post by meinhard1 on Jan 5, 2017 18:06:35 GMT -5
It's interesting to see these reviews of the series as a whole. Still used to episodes comming out serially, with each being analyzed by critics fans for its own individual merit. I will be interested to see how the episodes by various different writers, and secondary directors compare On the troupe: "It's been awhile since I've read the books, but I'm going to say not really. I think they're more distinctive (a virtue of being able to actually see them, I think) and they have some good moments, but it's not like we get a Hook-Handed Man backstory." Oh we will.
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Post by Noe on Jan 5, 2017 19:19:43 GMT -5
Having their parents be alive would be the dumbest change and disappointing. The whole series is because they're real orphans. Also, what makes ppl think it's cobie smulders? i know there's that picture of everyone infront of the mill, but that lady barely looks like her. I can say that's will arnett but her, not sure about that. If she is ok i'm wrong, but I personally don't think that she gonna be in the show
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Post by mortinson51 on Jan 5, 2017 19:59:33 GMT -5
I want to soak up ever new information but I also don't want to be spoiled about this season since it's only a couple days away.
I'm really am on board with the kit theory though. I don't think I'll be disappointed if she not but I think since we know she will appear in the first episodes as well I think it is going to be her.
And for the whole coldly smolder thing. We assume that because there was a picture of her with the cast so it seems weird for her to be there if she's not in the show.
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Post by Timmixxa on Jan 5, 2017 20:19:46 GMT -5
Imagine Cobie Smulders is actually Esme Squalor; they could be lovers on two different universes! (if you know what i mean) (himym)
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Post by alvaromolina on Jan 5, 2017 21:30:14 GMT -5
Having their parents be alive would be the dumbest change and disappointing. The whole series is because they're real orphans. Also, what makes ppl think it's cobie smulders? i know there's that picture of everyone infront of the mill, but that lady barely looks like her. I can say that's will arnett but her, not sure about that. If she is ok i'm wrong, but I personally don't think that she gonna be in the show well, Cobie was in a party where the whole cast attended back in july, and in the picture infront of the mill it looks like her... she's definitely in the show.
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Post by ironic impostor on Jan 5, 2017 21:51:53 GMT -5
Okay, so, I HIGHLY doubt the twist a bunch of the reviews keep alluding to is that the Baudelaire parents are alive. Or that, if that is the twist they're referring to, I'm assuming that it's just misleadingly presented that way and that whomever the show is presenting as a set of parents are actually not the Baudelaire Parents, just, again, a misleading red herring referred to in such a way that the audience is meant to make the wrong inference and assume that they are the Baudelaire parents. Furthermore, even if that really is the twist, I want to say upfront that I would definitely have VERY mixed feelings about that particular twist and am not completely sure how I'd feel about it on a consistency and emotional level ... HOWEVER, with all of that being said, how insane of a twist would that be? Like holy crap. It'd be a heck of a cheap way for the show to hit us all where it hurts (the parts of all of us that's secretly thinking we know more than non-readers), but I can't say it wouldn't be an effective one.
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Post by alvaromolina on Jan 5, 2017 22:10:08 GMT -5
Okay, so, I HIGHLY doubt the twist a bunch of the reviews keep alluding to is that the Baudelaire parents are alive. Or that, if that is the twist they're referring to, I'm assuming that it's just misleadingly presented that way and that whomever the show is presenting as a set of parents are actually not the Baudelaire Parents, just, again, a misleading red herring referred to in such a way that the audience is meant to make the wrong inference and assume that they are the Baudelaire parents. Furthermore, even if that really is the twist, I want to say upfront that I would definitely have VERY mixed feelings about that particular twist and am not completely sure how I'd feel about it on a consistency and emotional level ... HOWEVER, with all of that being said, how insane of a twist would that be? Like holy crap. It'd be a heck of a cheap way for the show to hit us all where it hurts (the parts of all of us that's secretly thinking we know more than non-readers), but I can't say it wouldn't be an effective one. I feel the same. Reviewers aren't really fans that know everything. I think they may be trying to introduce the 'snicket file' from the start so the whole series has a cohesive plot to develop I'm not realy that scary of the twist if it is the idea that maybe the parents could be alive, revealing at the end that they're referring to other people's parents
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Post by Strangely on Jan 5, 2017 22:36:19 GMT -5
I think the twist has to be something else. The Baudelaire parents surviving doesn't make much sense. What purpose would that serve? It's not like one day they could reunite with the children and walk into the sunset, that would sort of ruin the overarching theme of the series. So even if they lived through the fire they'd either have to die later anyway or never ever have contact with their children again. And if it were a red herring it wouldn't be this drastic twist in the plot, it would just be a cheap fake-out.
I just can't imagine that the major twist the reviewers are alluding to would be something so cheap and cliche. I could be wrong though. Who knows, maybe DH has a way of doing this without being a ridiculous plot contrivance.
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 5, 2017 22:46:48 GMT -5
I think the twist has to be something else. The Baudelaire parents surviving doesn't make much sense. What purpose would that serve? It's not like one day they could reunite with the children and walk into the sunset, that would sort of ruin the overarching theme of the series. So even if they lived through the fire they'd either have to die later anyway or never ever have contact with their children again. And if it were a red herring it wouldn't be this drastic twist in the plot, it would just be a cheap fake-out. I just can't imagine that the major twist the reviewers are alluding to would be something so cheap and cliche. I could be wrong though. Who knows, maybe DH has a way of doing this without being a ridiculous plot contrivance. Well, this plot twist DOES happen in the books with the Snicket file. For three books, it's a big part of the plot, and the children don't come to fully accept their parents' deaths until the final book. I could see them moving that plot point up, like they are doing with VFD. But I am definitely intrigued with any major plot twist, especially if it's one that will surprise book fans. Only one more week until we know!
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Post by Strangely on Jan 5, 2017 23:22:58 GMT -5
I think the twist has to be something else. The Baudelaire parents surviving doesn't make much sense. What purpose would that serve? It's not like one day they could reunite with the children and walk into the sunset, that would sort of ruin the overarching theme of the series. So even if they lived through the fire they'd either have to die later anyway or never ever have contact with their children again. And if it were a red herring it wouldn't be this drastic twist in the plot, it would just be a cheap fake-out. I just can't imagine that the major twist the reviewers are alluding to would be something so cheap and cliche. I could be wrong though. Who knows, maybe DH has a way of doing this without being a ridiculous plot contrivance. Well, this plot twist DOES happen in the books with the Snicket file. For three books, it's a big part of the plot, and the children don't come to fully accept their parents' deaths until the final book. I could see them moving that plot point up, like they are doing with VFD. But I am definitely intrigued with any major plot twist, especially if it's one that will surprise book fans. Only one more week until we know! That was a shred of hope based off a vague single piece of paper that ultimately turned out to be a false hope. It works because it provides the Baudelaire's with a direction to go and the motivation to keep on going. The Snicket File may have turned out to be wrong, but it at least served an important story function. Actually having their parents survive is a different matter altogether. That has the power to change the entire course of the series, especially when dumping that information in our laps in the first episode. Even from an audience perspective is it really effective to dump a gigantic twist like that into the plot twenty minutes after those characters supposedly died? I don't hate the idea of there being a survivor, but making is a fact that's revealed almost instantly seems like a terrible choice.
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Post by zinthaniel on Jan 5, 2017 23:32:05 GMT -5
If the parents survive then the show will be bemoaned by fans for watering down a dark element of the show, a major one at that. I doubt that is the twists, since the reviewers who had read the books said it was twist we'd like.
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 5, 2017 23:58:00 GMT -5
I don't think the Baudelaire parents survived. If the parent plotline is there (and there is SOMETHING with missing parents - they are mentioned in the script fragments from last year), then it would be a red herring plotline. (Assuming that they wouldn't change the entire course/tone of the series by keeping them alive.). NPH did say that there would be some red herring plotlines. But this theory is just tying all of those separate pieces together - the plot twist, the script fragments, the red herring, Cobie/Will. We won't know until next Friday. (One week!!!) No matter what the twist ends up being, I am very excited that they are throwing in new mysteries for book fans to figure out!
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Post by mortinson51 on Jan 6, 2017 0:03:48 GMT -5
I agree with everyone I don't think he Baudelaire parents will be alive that dresticly changes the story too much and since it is something that feels like it belongs in the story I'm going with JS/Kit or something to do with Lemony's past. I feel like we will be getting a lot more of Lemony in this show. Since it is titled Lemony Snicket's ASOUE after all.
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