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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 5, 2017 11:31:48 GMT -5
On a more serious note, I think I read someone wondering about the Beatrice dedications (or maybe just the introduction of the concept of Beatrice?) a few pages back, and it reminded me of a thought I had a few months ago, that instead of a dedication at the beginning, which is where writers usually give dedication to (optionally dead) loves ones, they might do it the television way-- that is, when a cast or crew member or relative has died and the crew wants to pay tribute, they'll usually tag an In Memory Of to the end of the episode. I usually just see them structured as "In Memory Of X, [birth and death dates]" but I don't see why they couldn't do the old (or create new?) dedications if they wanted. It would probably trick new people too, which would be a plus imo because I distinctly remember the first time I picked up TBB and saw the dedication, and as I was six and didn't even know that pennames were a thing (and definitely had no idea about the content of the books and the fact that L.S. was a character), I was completely fooled and felt very sad for this Snicket guy, which I think made a few reveals a little more heartbreaking to poor baby me. I would HATE for new fans to miss out on that fun Anyway they might not even have done dedications but I think if they did do them this would've been a cool way to go about it. I really love this idea. According to a new review from Collider, "the scripts leave intact some of the most charming elements of the book’s verbal eccentricities, including Snicket’s macabre letters to his now dead lover Beatrice at the outset of each episode," so it sounds like the actual letters addressed to Beatrice will be incorporated into the opening of each episode in some way, but that could still translate to "in memoriam" dedications. The main series only had dedications after all; we didn't get full letters until later installments. Thank goodness! Lemony and Beatrice's relationship is so important to the series, and cutting it would've had hugely problematic implications if the film series had continued. I'm so happy the TV series is actually adapting that plot properly!
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Post by Strangely on Jan 5, 2017 11:33:06 GMT -5
"an evil optometrist's office located in an ocular-shaped metal tower."
Hey, so that would be the eye tower we saw in the first trailer then. Glad they went with that rather than what was in the book and illustrations.
The Collider review was kind of hard on the child actors I think. The two-dimensional claim is a little unfair when that's true of the writing of the first four books (And likely not the fault of acting). It's really not until book five that we see the Baudelaire's flaws start to pop up, making them more real and three-dimensional. Up until then they are almost too perfect and nice to a point where they suffer great pain for the sake of not wanting to be rude (Which makes sense at the very beginning, but becomes ridiculous pretty quickly).
The comment about Sunny feels especially like a cheap shot, given that she's a baby and can only be developed so far. Even the books wait around for her to grow up some before giving her greater personality and depth. Calling the child casting the failure of the show is really incorrect when the problems are inherent in the original writing. I can understand that the characterizations can be frustrating given how long the Baudelaire's hold onto to their ethics in an unfair situation, but it is only the first season. There's no reason to rush their evolution.
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Post by Timmixxa on Jan 5, 2017 12:07:06 GMT -5
Guys random thought is it possible that the Jacquelyn in that MMM picture with "D. dupin" has the same dress when she is on the tree going to that telephone booth thingy
Is it possible that she is calling the same person in both scenarios?
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Post by lorelai on Jan 5, 2017 12:14:21 GMT -5
Ok, now I'm not reading the Collider review just to spite them. That does seem overkill if you know anything about the series, and if you don't, they're young kids even by teenage standards who grew up in a mansion; that has to be accounted for. I only read the Den of Geek review, which made me whoop with glee. I'll leave all the rest alone for now, but the interviews also made me REALLY excited. And the Beatrice plot--there are no words for how grateful and happy that makes me!!!
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 5, 2017 12:28:26 GMT -5
Guys random thought is it possible that the Jacquelyn in that MMM picture with "D. dupin" has the same dress when she is on the tree going to that telephone booth thingy Is it possible that she is calling the same person in both scenarios? I noticed that as well. It also seems like she's wearing the same "white scarf" thing as she's wearing in Zombies in the Snow.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 5, 2017 14:29:49 GMT -5
I don't know if it's been discussed, but I'm sentimentally pleased to see Catherine O'Hara taking on a role.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jan 5, 2017 14:35:34 GMT -5
I'm just super happy that Daniel Handler is one of the few novelist that prove you can transition from novel writing to script writing successfully. I've seen some novelist fail at the attempt. Well... though I haven't seen his first attempts at screenwriting, which are Rick and Kill the Poor, they (and their scripts) have all been terribly panned by critics, so Handler has had some trial-and-error practice. Also I'm pretty sure there's more than a "few" novelists who dabbled successfully in scriptwriting (f.ex. JK Rowling with Fantastic Beasts, and Paul Auster, Raymond Chandler, Grahame Greene, Capote, Faulkner, Cocteau).
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Post by eskaton on Jan 5, 2017 14:56:38 GMT -5
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Post by mortinson51 on Jan 5, 2017 15:02:54 GMT -5
I'm excited because it seems that Daniel Handler used this as an opertunity to make a more cohesive narrative and add on ideas he had later and right some wrongs. I really glad this is being so liked by critics. my fear of us not getting all 3 seasons is slowly fading away.
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Jan 5, 2017 15:04:35 GMT -5
I don't know if it's been discussed, but I'm sentimentally pleased to see Catherine O'Hara taking on a role. Same! I'd kinda adore to see some other folks from the movies...imagine Emily Browning as Mrs. Morrow or something. Maybe even Kit, if Jacquelyn isn't Kit (which I really think she is). Could be fun.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 5, 2017 15:26:38 GMT -5
Jacquelyn just might be a composite character created from Kit and Jacques, considering quite a few of the reviews mentioned twists and plot points from later in the series being introduced in the very beginning instead. I do hope she isn't, though.
Some reviewers have even said that the changes feel like they might be building towards a different ending- I especially hope that isn't the case. I thought that people's vitriol towards The End had calmed down and died out at this point.
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 5, 2017 15:34:10 GMT -5
Jacquelyn just might be a composite character created from Kit and Jacques, considering quite a few of the reviews mentioned twists and plot points from later in the series being introduced in the very beginning instead. I do hope she isn't, though. Some reviewers have even said that the changes feel like they might be building towards a different ending- I especially hope that isn't the case. I thought that people's vitriol towards The End had calmed down and died out at this point. My guess is that the "change" is the suspicion that the Baudelaire parents might be alive. Based on what I've read, I bet that Cobie Smulders and Will Arnett are indeed in the show, playing a mystery pair of parents that the show leads you to believe are the Baudelaires, very much alive. But this is actually a red herring - they are another pair of "missing parents".
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Post by Timmixxa on Jan 5, 2017 15:41:46 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. I need some proof for my prediction for Jacquelyn, and do you have any theories about what she might be up to and how she got there?
What familiar faces are going to be in the show anyway? The red herring about "missing parents" is also intriguing.
Chop chop, theories to make up, make up!
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 5, 2017 15:52:10 GMT -5
Very, very interesting. I need some proof for my prediction for Jacquelyn, and do you have any theories about what she might be up to and how she got there? What familiar faces are going to be in the show anyway? The red herring about "missing parents" is also intriguing. Chop chop, theories to make up, make up! My theory is that Jacquelyn is Kit's alias. Jacquelyn seems to have a similar role to Kit's (guiding the Baudelaire's) and the name inspiration could have come from her brother's name, Jacques. (Also interesting to note: the Jacquelyn in this series is another J.S.) It would also tie Lemony into the action and be a great plot twist if she's his sister. So Jacquelyn is not a substitute for Kit, but rather she IS Kit. That's just my own fan theory, though.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 5, 2017 15:53:33 GMT -5
Jacquelyn just might be a composite character created from Kit and Jacques, considering quite a few of the reviews mentioned twists and plot points from later in the series being introduced in the very beginning instead. I do hope she isn't, though. Some reviewers have even said that the changes feel like they might be building towards a different ending- I especially hope that isn't the case. I thought that people's vitriol towards The End had calmed down and died out at this point. My guess is that the "change" is the suspicion that the Baudelaire parents might be alive. Based on what I've read, I bet that Cobie Smulders and Will Arnett are indeed in the show, playing a mystery pair of parents that the show leads you to believe are the Baudelaires, very much alive. But this is actually a red herring - they are another pair of "missing parents". Likely the Quagmire's- That's kind of a shame, too, because the library scene is my favorite part of The Hostile Hospital, and I'm not sure how they're going to do the Snicket File red herring now. Additionally, it looks like it's been confirmed that The Miserable Mill no longer features a sword fight. I'm not surprised, really.
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