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Post by gliquey on Jan 16, 2017 12:21:27 GMT -5
I was a little confused about the music in the house destruction scene too. It took a rewatch, a rereading and a lot of thinking before it started to grow on me, but now I actually kind of like it. I think the problem for me was that this was my favorite scene of the movie and that version was sort of stuck in my head. Here I actually like that Aunt Josephine's fears are what saved the Baudelaire's. The rug she was convinced you'd break your neck on saved Klaus from falling to his death and the doorknob was the only thing for Sunny to grab onto. The music is odd, but I think they had a definite reason for going that direction. I think in a way the wacky music highlights how randomly destructive nature can be. They could have played this scene for the suspense, but I think it was a unique choice to make it more comedic instead, especially given that we're treated to many dramatic, suspenseful, moments before the episode is over. If Josephine's fears helping the Baudelaires was intentional, I think that's much smarter than what the movie did (Josephine's fears coming true irritated me - it felt almost like a kind of validation of her irrationality). Very well noticed, in any case. As for the music, I didn't mind it. That was not my problem with that scene. In fact that, and some of the nice exterior scenes of the house, were the only major parts I didn't dislike. Spoiler for book 13 but not any further than episode six in Netflix. I was just reading the comments on an article about the series and someone mentioned that we already met Ishmael 10 books early. I just thought it was a fun Easter Egg, having the taxi driver say that, but wouldn't that be cool if they ended up casting the same guy as Ish for The End? This reply also discuss book 13: I did wonder this while I was watching as well. Well, not that it would be cool but that it might happen. If I'm honest, I loved the lines the taxi driver was given but something about the actor didn't resonate well with me - I think perhaps he seemed exaggeratedly happy, which maybe is part of the point but I wasn't a huge fan. Anyway I'm not sure it would make sense, given that I thought Ishmael had been on the island at least since the Baudelaire parents were booted off (when Beatrice was pregnant with Violet), but they could always change the story slightly (Ish could easily read about it in the island's A Series of Unfortunate Events). It's a possibility, but I think it probably was a fun Easter egg.
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Post by Strangely on Jan 16, 2017 12:33:15 GMT -5
If Josephine's fears helping the Baudelaires was intentional, I think that's much smarter than what the movie did (Josephine's fears coming true irritated me - it felt almost like a kind of validation of her irrationality). Josephine's fears turning out to be real never made sense to me given that Lemony Snicket straight up tells the viewers that her fears were irrational, so the movie basically called him a straight up liar (and he apparently didn't want to bring up how wrong he was given that he never acknowledged that happening). So, as much as I loved that scene in the movie it didn't really make much sense. Also, upon rewatching, it turns out that real estate agents were another fear that turned out to actually help the Baudelaire's. Larry told Olaf that it was a helpful real estate agent who helped him obtain the restaurant.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jan 17, 2017 13:52:45 GMT -5
Heheh, when they found crackers in Jo's safe and Sunny said "safe crackers".... dat was a good ass pun
Ah, it's "Vastly Flavorful Desserts"! But still no website with that name : [
And Daniel Handler in the role of his lifetime! "Fishheads! Fishheads! Roly-poly fishheads!"
I really disliked the wacky banjo music in the falling-house scene - totally takes away any remnant of suspense (Idk if it would've been suspenseful with Klaus' over-the-top flipping around, but I'd wager it'd be possible).
The background music of the show in general is actually something that has gotten to bother me; there's just too much of it/no break from it, and it's too lighthearted. It just robs the show of any opportunity to gain more pathos than a well-made commercial. I was afraid of that, but trusted in Newton Howard, which makes me disappointed. I guess it must have really been a last minute job for him. At least the more prominent songs are good (like the theme and Olaf's song in TBB).
I did, however, quite enjoy the way Episode 5 opened with the newscast and Lemony doing his Rod-Serling bit in the weatherman's place. The analogy of woe to weather is obvious, but still very Snicket-like and appropriate. I also liked the scenes' visual style being kinda like 60/70s TV.
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Post by mizbizsav on Jan 17, 2017 15:31:16 GMT -5
Heheh, when they found crackers in Jo's safe and Sunny said "safe crackers".... dat was a good ass pun Ah, it's " Vastly Flavorful Desserts"! But still no website with that name : [ And Daniel Handler in the role of his lifetime! "Fishheads! Fishheads! Roly-poly fishheads!" I really disliked the wacky banjo music in the falling-house scene - totally takes away any remnant of suspense (Idk if it would've been suspenseful with Klaus' over-the-top flipping around, but I'd wager it'd be possible). The background music of the show in general is actually something that has gotten to bother me; there's just too much of it/no break from it, and it's too lighthearted. It just robs the show of any opportunity to gain more pathos than a well-made commercial. I was afraid of that, but trusted in Newton Howard, which makes me disappointed. I guess it must have really been a last minute job for him. At least the more prominent songs are good (like the theme and Olaf's song in TBB). I did, however, quite enjoy the way Episode 5 opened with the newscast and Lemony doing his Rod-Serling bit in the weatherman's place. The analogy of woe to weather is obvious, but still very Snicket-like and appropriate. I also liked the scenes' visual style being kinda like 60/70s TV. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was relieved to find out the name of the dessert shop. Once it got to that scene, I wasn't even paying attention to the dialogue - just focusing on the window so I could finally see what in the world it said. Vastly Flavorful Desserts. Phew. I also was bothered with the music, which was unexpected because I really love James Newton Howard's work. Sometimes I think the music made the scenes feel even wackier than they were, which was a problem especially with the scenes that should have held more weight. There were some parts that I liked (I'm jumping ahead, but I love the cue from The Miserable Mill and the more serious theme that plays throughout the series). Unpopular opinion, but I actually liked the music that played in the destruction of Josephine's house. Mostly I thought the show could have benefited from a score with more meat. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe it would have clashed with the whole aesthetic they have going for them. The music did seem very self-aware and more whimsical, which fits. *shrugs*
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Post by giannsnicket95 on Jan 18, 2017 11:49:27 GMT -5
Guys, I can't get it! How did Klaus set fire with the Lunette? The Lunette was with Jacquelyn that caught it back from Olaf, if he at least had use his glasses... Please, tell me that it wasnt a error and he set the Gore with other object
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Post by Dante on Jan 18, 2017 11:56:16 GMT -5
It was Josephine's spyglass, wasn't it?
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Jan 18, 2017 12:09:25 GMT -5
Um, I thought the fire was started by the 'mother and father's binoculars when they flew over Lake Lachrymose.
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Post by BSam on Jan 18, 2017 12:30:25 GMT -5
nah the mother and father focused the lighthouse beam down to the boat to be focused even more by whatever klaus had
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Post by BSam on Jan 18, 2017 12:30:42 GMT -5
i mean it was stupid dumb, but that's what happened
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 18, 2017 12:49:41 GMT -5
The background music of the show in general is actually something that has gotten to bother me; there's just too much of it/no break from it, and it's too lighthearted. It just robs the show of any opportunity to gain more pathos than a well-made commercial. I was afraid of that, but trusted in Newton Howard, which makes me disappointed. I guess it must have really been a last minute job for him. At least the more prominent songs are good (like the theme and Olaf's song in TBB). EDIT: I've re-watched some episodes and decided that the following criticism only goes for The Bad Beginning The music is my only strong criticism of the series (the rest of my thoughts being give or take). I like the songs and I like some moments of music (including when the house falls), but as I mentioned in the thread about The Bad Beginning, it's mostly unsubtle and doesn't feel carefully considered. It really dilutes the tone and tension in some scenes, which is a shame because music has such a strong power over the mood and style, even if all else is perfect. It's what makes me feel like I'm watching a children's show rather than something that a wide range of adults might enjoy; of course, I compare the music to that in the movie, which has a soundtrack of wider appeal because it's considered and not patronising.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Jan 18, 2017 13:24:03 GMT -5
The background music of the show in general is actually something that has gotten to bother me; there's just too much of it/no break from it, and it's too lighthearted. It just robs the show of any opportunity to gain more pathos than a well-made commercial. I was afraid of that, but trusted in Newton Howard, which makes me disappointed. I guess it must have really been a last minute job for him. At least the more prominent songs are good (like the theme and Olaf's song in TBB). The music is my only strong criticism of the series (the rest of my thoughts being give or take). I like the songs and I like some moments of music (including when the house falls), but as I mentioned in the thread about The Bad Beginning, it's mostly unsubtle and doesn't feel carefully considered. It really dilutes the tone and tension in some scenes, which is a shame because music has such a strong power over the mood and style, even if all else is perfect. It's what makes me feel like I'm watching a children's show rather than something that a wide range of adults might enjoy; of course, I compare the music to that in the movie, which has a soundtrack of wider appeal because it's considered and not patronising. I absolutely agree. I don't hate the music, per say, but it's practically impossible not to miss the movie's excellent score. The film's score is something I can enjoy by itself, even, detached from the movie. I really can't say the same about the show, and that's a shame, too, because I prefer the show in almost every other respect. There's room to improve, obviously this was only the first season, and I'd go so far as to say the score of the show did improve during TMM, but I'm not sure they'll ever beat the movie's soundtrack. I wonder if it would be possible to rescore parts of the show with the movie's soundtrack? Zortegus made a video featuring clips from the trailers, but using the movie's soundtrack, and it worked really well. Maybe it would work for the show itself? Although I suppose it'd have to wait until the show comes out on home video. Oh, but since this is TWW discussion, I'll throw in my two cents about the house destruction scene. I think the new score fits fine with the tone of the scene in the show. I don't think it needs to be tense or horrific, because the scene isn't tense so much as wild and chaotic. I don't think the destruction of the house needs to be a big, climactic moment either.
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Post by giannsnicket95 on Jan 18, 2017 14:02:50 GMT -5
It was Josephine's spyglass, wasn't it? For me, the lunette was broken in that scene
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Post by giannsnicket95 on Jan 18, 2017 14:05:26 GMT -5
nah the mother and father focused the lighthouse beam down to the boat to be focused even more by whatever klaus had I didnt like the thing with the airplane either. I Just wanted to know what is the object that Klaus used, cause it's look like (a lot) the lunnete he found.
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Post by Wasabi on Jan 19, 2017 19:06:22 GMT -5
Was that statue supposed to be an effigy of Josephine Anwhistle? Yes, I took it that way, too. I think it was to show how fierce and formidable Jo used to be in her glory days. Also, I agree with Quisby. The performances gave off a sense that the actors didn't quite "get it"...That's the best way I can describe it. Louis Hynes' crying scene felt incredibly forced. I know this is gonna sound crazy now after I've read everyone's comments it kinda makes more sense that the statue would be Jo but at the time I thought it was Beatrice because Lemony talks about her in that scene. I have just finished Episode 5 and the bit where Lemony is at the ruins of Aunt Josephine's house. The stone says 'Beatrice'. Can anyone shed anymore light on this? Might be a reference to The Beatrice Letters I'm not sure but it would be interesting to see how she ended up there. If anyone could answer this it'd be great because I was pondering the same thing. Also, I might be outta the loop. It I've looked through the thread and no one has mentioned who Larry is. Is that actually his name or is he a volunteer in disguise trying to help the Baudelaires?
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Post by occono on Jan 19, 2017 20:12:53 GMT -5
Yes, I took it that way, too. I think it was to show how fierce and formidable Jo used to be in her glory days. Also, I agree with Quisby. The performances gave off a sense that the actors didn't quite "get it"...That's the best way I can describe it. Louis Hynes' crying scene felt incredibly forced. I know this is gonna sound crazy now after I've read everyone's comments it kinda makes more sense that the statue would be Jo but at the time I thought it was Beatrice because Lemony talks about her in that scene. I have just finished Episode 5 and the bit where Lemony is at the ruins of Aunt Josephine's house. The stone says 'Beatrice'. Can anyone shed anymore light on this? Might be a reference to The Beatrice Letters I'm not sure but it would be interesting to see how she ended up there. If anyone could answer this it'd be great because I was pondering the same thing. Also, I might be outta the loop. It I've looked through the thread and no one has mentioned who Larry is. Is that actually his name or is he a volunteer in disguise trying to help the Baudelaires? Larry is named in the Unauthorised Autobiography IIRC. snicket.wikia.com/wiki/Larry_the_Waiter
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