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Post by kingarthur on Apr 25, 2018 2:18:21 GMT -5
I think that The Beatrice eventually reached land (possibly Briny Beach) and Violet, Klaus, Sunny and Beatrice rebuild the VFD with the help of Frank Denouement (who, with Ernest, are very likely to have survived the fire) and possibly Lemony.
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Post by Dante on Apr 25, 2018 7:49:19 GMT -5
That is an optimistic theory, and you are entitled to your belief on the matter.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 25, 2018 8:08:58 GMT -5
Well, we know that Beatrice Sank. Its occupants may still have come to shore; after all, we know that young Beatrice did, so the others might have as well. And for each Baudelaire there is a clue to their later life: Violet meeting Female Finnish Pirates on her third return to Briny Beach (or possibly not doing so, but that still seems to imply there was a third return), Klaus regretting his failure to warn Monty, Sunny appearing on the radio to discuss her recipes.
As for VFD, I don't think it has utterly disappeared anyway. There are references in the 'future' part of TBL to it as a going concern, though a declining one, and apparently it has a recruiting manual in The Puzzling Puzzles. Not all volunteers were in the hotel when it burnt down - indeed, it was burnt down as a signal to them to stay away - so the organisation can have survived.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 25, 2018 8:39:39 GMT -5
Well, we know that Beatrice Sank. Its occupants may still have come to shore; after all, we know that young Beatrice did, so the others might have as well. And for each Baudelaire there is a clue to their later life: Violet meeting Female Finnish Pirates on her third return to Briny Beach (or possibly not doing so, but that still seems to imply there was a third return), Klaus regretting his failure to warn Monty, Sunny appearing on the radio to discuss her recipes. As for VFD, I don't think it has utterly disappeared anyway. There are references in the 'future' part of TBL to it as a going concern, though a declining one, and apparently it has a recruiting manual in The Puzzling Puzzles. Not all volunteers were in the hotel when it burnt down - indeed, it was burnt down as a signal to them to stay away - so the organisation can have survived. This is a good summary of what I believe. I certainly think the Baudelaires survived -- partly, I admit, because I want them to, but also because of the things like Violet's third visit to Briny Beach, Klaus's regret, and Sunny's radio appearances. So, yes, I absolutely believe they survived. As for V.F.D., I imagine it will carry on as it always has: going through turbulent times, perhaps sometimes almost fading away, then at other times perhaps experiencing a resurgence in strength. I think the Baudelaires would indeed return to their involvement with V.F.D., but of course I don't think it would be an easy existence -- but it would be more exciting than living out their days on the island. |
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Post by kingarthur on Apr 25, 2018 10:49:25 GMT -5
That is an optimistic theory, and you are entitled to your belief on the matter. I am aware that it is quite optimistic by the standards of the series, but I believe that after 170 Chapters of pessimism, the Baudelaires deserve at least an epilogue of optimism. |
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 25, 2018 10:57:43 GMT -5
I like to believe that, after the Beatrice sank, the Baudelaires were separated for years, until eventually Lemony and Beatrice reunited them. They wanted to disengage from the VFD completely. They offered for Lemony to join them, but he couldn't accept. He was too entrenched in it, it was too late for him to escape. Lemony never saw Beatrice or the Baudelaires again, but he likes to think of them now and then, and hope they're happy. Reuniting the family is one of the few things he is proud of having done, a ray of light in a cloudy sky.
But this is all headcanon. I wouldn't like to actually find out anything more than what The Beatrice Letters revealed.
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Post by Grace on Apr 26, 2018 4:34:34 GMT -5
Well, we know that Beatrice Sank. Its occupants may still have come to shore; after all, we know that young Beatrice did, so the others might have as well. And for each Baudelaire there is a clue to their later life: Violet meeting Female Finnish Pirates on her third return to Briny Beach (or possibly not doing so, but that still seems to imply there was a third return), Klaus regretting his failure to warn Monty, Sunny appearing on the radio to discuss her recipes. WHATTTT is the point of giving us the clue "Beatrice sank" and then also telling us they all individually survive? |
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Post by Hermes on Apr 26, 2018 8:54:33 GMT -5
The sinking means, at least, that they are separated and hard to find.
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 26, 2018 11:25:23 GMT -5
I think that the Beatrice sinking and the Baudelaires all still surviving is perfectly in line with the series' tone. When the Baudelaires left the island, they chose to return to life as it was, taking the good with the bad. Mixed salad. Bad things happen to everyone, and they'll never stop happening, but bad things aren't always the end.
(Although they can be- part of why I'm grateful the series doesn't go any further in depth with their future. They made the choice to return to the world with the knowledge that it could be a strange and cruel place.)
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 27, 2018 2:52:31 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, doesn't The Beatrice Letters include Beatrice Snicket trying to track down the siblings? That would suggest that they aren't definitely dead but were indeed split up (perhaps to die afterwards but split up nonetheless).
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Post by Dante on Apr 27, 2018 2:59:47 GMT -5
That is entirely correct, though Lemony Snicket conspicuously fails to offer her any answers and indeed appears to actively avoid having to do so. Take from that what you will. (But young Beatrice's circumstances are extremely mysterious.)
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 27, 2018 6:36:26 GMT -5
I never particularly took it to mean that Violet, Klaus, and Sunny were separated from each other (though this is entirely possible) -- obviously they were separated from Beatrice, but I always sort of thought that if she found them, she would find them together. But, as others have said, it would be especially tragic if they had been separated from one another.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Apr 27, 2018 7:13:36 GMT -5
I'm not all that convinced what happened post-ASOUE was so tragic at all. After all, the series is called A Series of Unfortunate Events; if the series comes to a close, an optimist could very well concludes that this means that particular series of unfortunate events is drawing at an end too. I don't mean it's all rainbows and sunshine from then on, but things may be okay for the Baudelaires for a while after TE; possibly until Beatrice is all grown up and they get separated again.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 27, 2018 7:38:28 GMT -5
I'm not all that convinced what happened post- ASOUE was so tragic at all. After all, the series is called A Series of Unfortunate Events; if the series comes to a close, an optimist could very well concludes that this means that particular series of unfortunate events is drawing at an end too. I don't mean it's all rainbows and sunshine from then on, but things may be okay for the Baudelaires for a while after TE; possibly until Beatrice is all grown up and they get separated again. I think I agree with you; I would certainly like to think so, anyway. The fact that Sunny was able to appear on the radio would suggest that their lives were fairly happy and fulfilling for a while, if they were able to pursue their interests so publicly -- or at least it suggests that they don't have to run from the law anymore, which is obviously an improvement. But I think tragic things would keep happening, even if not specifically to them for a while, and if they did continue an involvement with V.F.D., their lives would certainly continue to be filled with mystery (which is not necessarily a bad thing, of course: after all, they yearn for more than the safety of living on the island can give them). All that said, Beatrice is only 10 years old when she writes her last letter to Lemony Snicket, so at most it would have been nine years before a great tragedy struck again. |
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Post by Hermes on Apr 27, 2018 8:22:15 GMT -5
The end of ASOUE, as I read it, is neither happy nor hopeless: Olaf's death means that this series of unfortunate events is at an end, but not that nothing unfortunate will happen again. Clearly the shipwreck is a misfortune, but not a final one. I like to imagine them finding some sort of peace in the end.
As for whether they were separated, I have always imagined them being separate from each other, which would make them harder to trace, but it's true all we actually know is that they are separated form Beatrice. The shipwreck explains why they are hard to find, at least.
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