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Post by Dear Dairy on Aug 30, 2005 18:36:39 GMT -5
Just to clear something up - denouement does not mean end. You know the plot diagrams they always made you draw in middle school (Exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution)? The Denouement is the Falling Action, not the resolution. Therefore, Book the Twelfth fits the bill perfectly. I don't agree at all. "Denouement" is a synonym for "resolution," especially in a literary sense. Actually, in a literary sense, "denouement" applies only to comedy, or stories with happy endings; in a tragedy the term "catastrophe" is used. Yes, this is what I learned in middle school, but this definition was also carried through in high school and college. Just for the record, I also did a quick research on the internet to refresh my memory, and every link I checked said the same thing. Please don't think I'm criticizing you, SetnicK. I'd just like to know where your information comes from that equates Denouement with Falling Action instead of Resolution. If I'm wrong, I will apologize profusely. Edit: As a side note, the word Denouement in Old French means "to untie," which brings to mind Female Finnish Pirates and Violet's knots. |
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Post by Brian on Aug 30, 2005 20:31:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, DD.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Aug 30, 2005 20:33:37 GMT -5
It does indeed bring those to mind as it's quite possible they meet in book the thirteenth.
And I've always heard denouement stated as the resolution both in school and here on 667 and everywhere else.
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Post by s on Aug 31, 2005 18:54:12 GMT -5
How bizarre. More than one of my English teachers (one of whom really knew what she was talking about and whom I respected a lot) have said that it is the "falling action." I forgot to bring home my Dictionary of Literary Terms today...I swear I'll check tomorrow and get back to you.
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Post by Brian on Aug 31, 2005 20:28:46 GMT -5
Thanks, setnick - I'd be very interested to hear the definition that you were going by. It might help our understanding of the Baudelaires' adventures to come.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Sept 1, 2005 20:46:14 GMT -5
Perhaps it could be defined as the FINAL event in the Falling action....
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Post by Brian on Sept 2, 2005 16:13:20 GMT -5
Too specific. The literary rules are so few and vague, there doesn't necessarily have to be a "final event of the falling action."
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Sept 2, 2005 19:47:50 GMT -5
*shrug* I never really thought it was, I was just presenting the idea.
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Post by Brian on Sept 3, 2005 8:06:45 GMT -5
Heh heh, I know, I'm not trying to shoot your idea down, and it's still possible anyway...  |
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Post by Antenora on Sept 3, 2005 8:42:56 GMT -5
As mentioned before, "denouement" comes from words meaning "the untying of a knot", so it also refers to the untangling of a complex plot. This untanglement could qualify as either falling action, or the conclusion, or both.
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Post by Brian on Sept 3, 2005 8:56:33 GMT -5
This is true in the linguistic sense, but the accepted English definition today is the resolution. Every dictionary I've looked at has said this. However, if Setnick has a source that says otherwise, it would be very interesting to see it. I don't completely doubt its existence, and it might give us more clues about the plots of the final two books.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Sept 3, 2005 9:42:43 GMT -5
As Brian says, the only definition that matters to our theorizing is the one Handler uses. . .
although I'll continue to believe that Denouement = Resolution! ;D
*stubbornly stamps dainty little hoof*
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Post by Deathly Hallow on Sept 3, 2005 17:35:29 GMT -5
I can't believe this. We're going to the nameless novel to figure out the title of book 12 and it only gets revealed on day of release!
Book The Twelfth to be secret until day of release
It has been announced that on Tuesday October 18th, Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events Book the Twelfth will be released at the same time in both the US and the UK, becoming available in bookstores in Britain at 3:00 in the afternoon, and 10:00 in the morning in New York.
In addition, in America, on The Today Show on NBC between 6:00 and 10:00 that morning, Daniel Handler, Lemony Snicket’s Official Representative, will be unveiling the title of the new book and it's cover for the very first time.
(info thanks to Unfortunate Events)
Published August 29, 2005
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Post by Dear Dairy on Sept 3, 2005 19:33:13 GMT -5
It hardly seems fair. My hope is that we'll get enough clues to be able to come close to an intelligent guess, or at least to have some fun guessing. I'd like, at the very least, to have the initials of the title before the date of release.
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Post by Brian on Sept 3, 2005 21:02:05 GMT -5
I thought we'd get the cover as Mystery the Third, but after reading that excerpt, here's what I'm seeing: We don't actually get the title at TheNamelessNovel.com. Therefore, it isn't technically "unveiled." But clues are given, enough to get the title with great difficulty. That's all I can really say.
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