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Post by notanorphan on Nov 26, 2003 21:35:38 GMT -5
I noticed in the Wide Window it says that Josephine isn't really the Baudelaire's aunt, she is their second cousin's sister in law. If on the family tree, I is Ike, one of his siblings is a girl (Josephine's sister in law). Then, to be second cousins, the Baudelaire's would have to be j, k, l, m, n, or o's kids. Since J, L, and O (JLO, hehehe... sorry) are Jacques, Lemony and Olaf, and they are obviously not their kids. And they aren't on Olaf's branch of the tree because he is either their 3rd cousin 4 times removed or their 4th cousin 3 times removed. so, they are probably k's kids. does this make sense?
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Post by Addieor on Nov 26, 2003 21:45:51 GMT -5
I thought Beatrice was on the family tree, so I never really thought if Mr.Baudelaire was on the family tree. I think that Beatrice is Mrs.Baudelaire and , woah, I can't think logically outside of school. Maybe tommorrow, I will willingly think logically adn reasonably.
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Post by BaudelaireQuagmire on Dec 12, 2003 22:50:18 GMT -5
I'm also a tad confused.  |
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Post by notanorphan on Dec 13, 2003 17:08:42 GMT -5
Ok, i will explain, hopefully more clearly. I noticed in the Wide Window it says that Josephine isn't really the Baudelaire's aunt, she is their second cousin's sister in law. IF josephine is married to Ike (and ike is "I" on the family tree), J, K, L, M, N, and O are all Ike's first cousins and Josephine's 'cousins in laws" if such a term exists. Therefore, the Baudelaires would be J, K, L, M, N, or O's children. Since we are pretty sure J and L are Jacques and Lemony, and we are pretty sure O is olaf, they are K, M, or N's children. Does that make anymore sense? IF you need to see the family tree, go to www.angelfire.com/weird2/lemonypics/autobiography |
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Post by Mrs. (Alphonse) Elric on Dec 18, 2003 18:18:33 GMT -5
Overloaded brain...Overloaded brain...**holds head** "OK otterkit, breath deeply." I think Mrs. B is Beatrice, even though it wouldn't make to much sense accourding to the Family Tree
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Post by jayK on Dec 20, 2003 7:14:06 GMT -5
Well i am surely confused, I thought Josephine and Monty were proper relatives, but the rest were just guardians, Anyway does anyone have a real relative with a Baudelaire name? I have a aunt called Violet
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Post by CharismaticCarly on Dec 20, 2003 15:43:04 GMT -5
Ya...I guess your theoretically correct....byt I can't understand the JKLMNO thing. I guess it's because I havent seen the family tree. Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe Lemony wasn't so anal and just created these books for nonchalant kids who really didn't think logically?
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Post by StellaFantasia on Dec 20, 2003 16:18:32 GMT -5
Actually, a second cousin is someone whose nearest shared ancestor with you is a great-grandparent. So, say that on the tree, C is the Baudelaire's grandfather Charles, and Charles had three sets of three siblings with three different women (D, E, and F). That would make C the grandfather of all of the offspring of G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, and O. If those offspring had offspring, then those offspring, two generations off of the family tree, would be second cousins. So, my guess is that Josephine actually is the Baudelaire's aunt. Let's say that I is Ike, and he married Josephine. Another letter on the tree is one of the Baudelaire's parents. If it's one of J, K, L, M, N, or O, then Josephine would be their half-aunt, if such a thing exists. If it's one of G or H, Josephine would actually be their aunt. I tried really, really hard to make that second cousin's sister in law thing fit into the family tree, but it just doesn't. Believe me, I wanted it to work! But I think it may have just been an offhanded comment. Here's an explanation of how the terminology of first cousin, second cousin, etc, works: www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html |
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Post by StellaFantasia on Dec 20, 2003 16:51:54 GMT -5
Strangely enough, after posting that, I worked out a way that Josephine could be the Baudelaire's second cousin's sister in law, but in order for Ike to be the I in the Family Tree, she'd have to be their aunt as well.
Bear with me now, it's complicated:
With Charles as C, and one Baudelaire parent as one of his offspring, and Ike as one of Charles's offspring and married to Josephine, we bring A into account. A as a sibling of C, that is. A has a child, and that child has two (or more) children. Those children would be the Baudelaire orphans' second cousins (because they share a great grandparent, the parents of A and C). One of A's grandchildren, then, could theoretically marry one of Josephine's siblings. Therefore Josephine (married to Ike, who's one of the Baudelaire parent's siblings) is the sister-in-law of one or more of the Baudelaire orphans' second cousins (because Josephine's sibling is married to one of them). Get it? Of course, the one problem there is that presumably the orphans' second cousins would be around the same age as the orphans, while Josephine is clearly much older, but I suppose some crazy big age differences are possible.
Maybe I should draw a chart of that?
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Post by jayK on Dec 21, 2003 4:36:53 GMT -5
Do you really believe Olaf is related to the Baudelaires?
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