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Post by lauren on Nov 14, 2005 6:20:53 GMT -5
Hmm, what if the Baudelaires were to interrogate Olaf--tie him up and threaten him until he revealed the information they needed? I wonder if they'd actually do that. I wouldn't bet on it, they didn't go ahead with their plan to kidnap Esme...besides it is hard to imagine, such a villian being overpowered by three children...well at least not with the power of brutality needed to tie him up...more likely they would overpower him with wits. |
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Post by Antenora on Nov 14, 2005 6:42:42 GMT -5
You're right; the Baudelaires would prefer to argue with Olaf rather than physically overpower him. They're clever children, and it would be interesting to see them use their cleverness against Olaf.
Olaf probably knows as much about Beatrice as Esme does, including the mistaken assumption that she took the sugar bowl.
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Post by lauren on Nov 15, 2005 3:02:36 GMT -5
AHHH! Sorry I feel stupid but the mention that Beatrice didn't actually steal the sugarbowl, keeps popping up... could someone please explain how you came to this conclusion or point out the evidence...sorry I must have missed something  |
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Post by Dante on Nov 15, 2005 5:55:27 GMT -5
But if this were a book about me... I might pause for a moment, and tell you about something I did many years ago that still troubles me. It was a necessary thing to do, but it was not a nice thing, and even now, I get a small quiver of shame in my stomach whenever I remember it. I might be doing something I enjoy... when I will suddenly remember this thing that I did, and think to myself, Was it really necessary? Was it absolutely necessary to steal that sugar bowl from Esmé Squalor?
-THH, p90-91
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Post by 1fanbaudelaire on Nov 15, 2005 11:12:21 GMT -5
Oh! Hmm! *Ponders for a minute.* It's true!
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Post by lauren on Nov 15, 2005 18:29:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah I remember that quote...but I never made that connection....that's strange...how could Esme mistake Lemony as Beatrice??? Maybe disguised??...Lemony and Beatrice could have stolen it together??? Or purhaps Lemony played an active part in the plan to steal the sugar bowl but Beatrice actually did the stealing.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 15, 2005 19:40:44 GMT -5
I've been wondering about that, too. Lemony wouldn't disguise himself in such a way that he could be mistaken for Beatrice, thus endangering her. Maybe Esme didn't actually see Lemony steal the sugar bowl, and Beatrice was framed because she had it later.
Which reminds me: Book 13 is rumored to contain a shocking revelation about Beatrice, but one that we could infer from evidence. Sounds like we'll get a piece of evidence that will fit in with everything else and end up being shocking, but not entirely unpredicted.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Nov 15, 2005 20:44:29 GMT -5
I can't wait for that twist.
I always thought of it as:
Beatrice goes to tea with Esme Squalor on a thursday. (lemony would hop as no man has ever hopped if he could go back in time and stop that from happening)
Esme has this sugarbowl on thursday. At some point during or after said tea party Lemony steals the sugarbowl. Esme does not see this but since she was with Beatrice, automatically assumes Beatrice stole it and vows revenge against her forever.
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Post by Hooky on Nov 15, 2005 21:46:32 GMT -5
Esme does not see this but since she was with Beatrice, automatically assumes Beatrice stole it and vows revenge against her forever. I don't think that Esme just having tea with Beatrice is a good reason to blame Beatrice for stealing the sugar bowl. But it's not as though Esme is a very intelligent person to begin with.  |
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Post by Dante on Nov 16, 2005 2:36:54 GMT -5
I agree with Jacques on the theft of the sugar bowl - I think it probably happened like that. It'd be nice to know more about the circumstances, but I'm not sure if Handler will clarify that. I think it's just important for us to know that Esmé (and probably Olaf, and apparently Dewey) thought that Beatrice stole the sugar bowl, but it was actually Lemony.
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Post by lauren on Nov 16, 2005 5:08:40 GMT -5
That is a very likely possibility....but I just think when Lemony said that, he was reffering to himself playing an active role in the stealing with Beatrice doing the actual stealing. Or purhaps he was feeling regretful for being a bystander and allowing Beatrice to steal it.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Nov 16, 2005 22:41:17 GMT -5
Perhaps Lemony asked Beatrice to steal the sugar bowl for him.
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Post by Grace on Nov 18, 2005 17:12:18 GMT -5
Hmm, what if the Baudelaires were to interrogate Olaf--tie him up and threaten him until he revealed the information they needed? I wonder if they'd actually do that. This is actually getting more and more likely that something like this will happen, because the Baudelaires went from innocent unfortunate children to children who aren't sure of themselves at all and whether what they do is noble or wicked. The end of TPP definitely puts a nice ending(ish) to this whole idea, and probably in Bk13, we'll for certain find out what the Bauds are capable of...or what they're forced to be capable of. |
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Post by Brian on Nov 18, 2005 20:19:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't bet on it, they didn't go ahead with their plan to kidnap Esme...besides it is hard to imagine, such a villian being overpowered by three children...well at least not with the power of brutality needed to tie him up...more likely they would overpower him with wits. Yeah, the Olaf of books 9-12 is just so stupid. He's not the tough adversary he was in books 1-8. |
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Post by lauren on Nov 19, 2005 6:12:03 GMT -5
I agree Grace that the Baudelaires' noblity seems to be becoming more and more ambiguous, but I don't see the Baudelaires overpowering Olaf physically
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