truthson
Bewildered Beginner
If we all fight fire, with fire the world will go up in smoke.
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Post by truthson on May 8, 2007 14:48:31 GMT -5
I can't believe the at JK would bring people back from the dead, it’s just not her style.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 9, 2007 21:27:33 GMT -5
There are different kinds of curses. Freezing charms, silencing charms, stuff like that, those are fleeting and temporary, easily lifted with countercurses. Voldemort's curse on the DADA post could probably be lifted by him rather easily.
Unforgivable curses and memory charms are much stronger, and fall in a different category. Obviously there's no counter to avada kedavra, it's permanent. You can't lift the curse so there's no coming back from the dead. Voldemort's cruciatus curses lifted memory charms from bertha, but the strength in those charms impacted her memory forever. That changed from a curse to permanent physical damage and no lifting of a curse can change that. That's how it is with the Longbottoms.
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Post by PJ on May 10, 2007 2:41:45 GMT -5
There are different kinds of curses. Freezing charms, silencing charms, stuff like that, those are fleeting and temporary, easily lifted with countercurses. Voldemort's curse on the DADA post could probably be lifted by him rather easily. Unforgivable curses and memory charms are much stronger, and fall in a different category. Obviously there's no counter to avada kedavra, it's permanent. You can't lift the curse so there's no coming back from the dead. Voldemort's cruciatus curses lifted memory charms from bertha, but the strength in those charms impacted her memory forever. That changed from a curse to permanent physical damage and no lifting of a curse can change that. That's how it is with the Longbottoms. I'm thinking there's a way of permanently bespelling something, but it's probably really tricky or requires a lot of time and effort. Hogwarts, for instance, is still enchanted a thousand years after its original founders died. Broomsticks and the like proabably don't lose their enchantments as soon as the maker dies. I'm thinking the DADA curse (if it even is a proper curse) will be lifted after Voldemorts death. For one, plot reasons, but also simply because such a powerful curse is unlikely to linger. Spells probably have lives of their own; they wear thin after a while. Probably. Maybe the headmaster has to keep on renewing the Hogwarts spells, or something, like, every decade or so.
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Post by Dear Dairy on May 10, 2007 13:16:40 GMT -5
Maybe the headmaster has to keep on renewing the Hogwarts spells, or something, like, every decade or so. Ha ha. Like renewing your library books?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 10, 2007 20:45:47 GMT -5
It's possible. It'd be way difficult to try and go through all the curses charms and whatnot we know and put them into such categories in relation to strength and duration.
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Post by thistledown on May 11, 2007 0:22:46 GMT -5
I can't believe the at JK would bring people back from the dead, it’s just not her style. But somewhere she did mention the two-way mirror would make a reappearence...and wasn't Sirius hit by Bellatrix with a red beam of light and not a green one when he fell through the curtain. He was stunned...so is he really dead? She could possibly find a way to explain how he really didn't die.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 11, 2007 21:50:45 GMT -5
I wish it were so but he's dead. Just because the mirror makes a reappearance doesn't mean it has anything to do with sirius. Why would he have taken it from the house if he was going to meet Harry? They could find it at Grimmauld Place and have Harry talk with Dumbledore's portrait or something.
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Post by Sora on May 12, 2007 2:27:47 GMT -5
Perhaps Harry uses the mirror to transcend into the world of spirits. 'Hallows' does mean spiritual entities.......
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Post by PJ on May 12, 2007 3:55:58 GMT -5
That said, Sirius' manner of death is a strange one. For all we know, the mirror may allow Harry to talk to him one last time, or something. I dunno. Maybe Sirius survived in some form, like he's trapped as a ghost or a spirit or something. *shrug*
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 12, 2007 21:30:31 GMT -5
I doubt it, but that'd be nice. I think we're going to get some more info on the spiritual world in book 7.
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Post by thistledown on May 13, 2007 15:19:41 GMT -5
Harry could, I suppose, find Sirius's mirror at Grimmauld Place, but with the aforesaid odd death of his godfather...I don't know, there is a chance that we'll be able to see or hear from lovable Sirius one last time.
(Rowling specifically said Dumbledore was dead...she, however, said NOTHING about Sirius)
EDIT: I agree with Jacques that we will get more ghost/afterlife information in 7. And it would seem stupid to me (not to mention it would make me doubt Rowling's creativity and writing prowess) if 'deathly hallows' refered to the place of Harry's birth. In 6, we had some foreshadowing from Nearly Headless Nick about the spirit world. And the book seemed to end on that kind of tone. *crosses fingers for spirit world*
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 14, 2007 20:38:54 GMT -5
I might just be forgetting something but wasn't it book 5 where we got an insightful glimpse into spirithood from Nick?
But it was in those Galadriel Waters books I read that we will receive more information on what happens after wizard death in book 7(hey, we'll have plenty of opportunities, this thing is supposed to be a bloodbath).
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Post by PJ on May 15, 2007 8:26:49 GMT -5
So what's gonna happen with Snape and Pettigrew? Voldemort, of course, gets the axe. We'd settle for nothing less.
But what about the other two? Somehow, I don't think all three of them will die. Pettigrew will do something to help Harry, because of his blood-bond. Maybe that gets HIM killed.
But what about Snape? Harry can't kill him. That just wouldn't be right. Voldemort gets killed by Harry, sure. But Snape? No way. But Snape is gonna die, I'm thinking. He can't live, after the tensions he's brought in. He killed Dumbledore! He can't just go to Azkaban. I wouldn't mind him walking away and vowing to stay away from everything after it ends...but that's mostly cos I think he's still, in some form, on the good side. I can see him getting killed by Voldemort when he helps Harry. On the other hand, isn't that what Pettigrew is going to do?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 16, 2007 14:55:43 GMT -5
He's Voldemort, he can take both of them!
I'm now on the fence about Snape. I thought he was evil, then I read the mugglenet book and I'm unsure. I think Pettigrew's going to die, there's no question. But Snape? Difficult to say, he's better at escaping tricky situations than Harry.
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Post by Wizz on May 24, 2007 11:01:31 GMT -5
Snape becomes the next Voldemort? ;D
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