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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 8, 2004 19:19:23 GMT -5
Recently I went to my school library and picked up a poem book of poems by T. S. Eliot.
The first poem is called "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock". And if you read it, it might remind you of Prufrock Prep. Yeah, it's hard to explain.
And the "in genral" part? Here's the last stanza of "Protrait of a Lady":
"Well! and what if she should die some afternoon, Afternoon grey and smoky, evening yellow and rose; Should die and leave me sitting pen in hand With the smoke coming down above the housetops; Doubtful, for a while Not knowing what to feel or if I understand Or whether wise or foolish, tardy or too soon... Would she not have the advantage after all? This music is successful with a 'dying fall' Now that we talk of dying- And should I have right to smile?"
Yeah, that just reminds me of Beatrice and Lemony. Like if Lemony say from just too far a way the house that burned down with Beatrice in it.
Expect fan art.
Yeah, I'm odd aren't I?
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Post by Antenora on Sept 9, 2004 7:47:15 GMT -5
That poem does sound just like Beatrice and Lemony. And the title makes me think of the triptych thing(fire, a typewriter, and Beatrice). Can you find the entire text of "Portrait of a Lady"? Also, see the threads on J. Alfred Prufrock in Situation Worsens.
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Post by Dante on Sept 9, 2004 11:29:44 GMT -5
Not at all! People like you are necessary if we're to uncover the many allusions. Like the many Dante references. Dante's early life was so similar, with Beatrice and all. In the foreword to my copy of the Inferno, it says that one time, Dante was overjoyed when Beatrice raised her hand in recognition in the street, but on another such occasion, having heard some scandalous rumours about him, she did not. Handler's made the allusions into the story - or at least, Lemony's story. But yes, very very interesting. My school has an apalling library, which I never go near, so I'd never find anything like that. Fortunately, I've got plentry of stuff at home, plus the Internet. So evil, yet so good.
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Post by Antenora on Sept 9, 2004 18:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 9, 2004 19:47:19 GMT -5
Not at all! People like you are necessary if we're to uncover the many allusions. I feel loved and needed. Like the many Dante references. Dante's early life was so similar, with Beatrice and all. In the foreword to my copy of the Inferno, it says that one time, Dante was overjoyed when Beatrice raised her hand in recognition in the street, but on another such occasion, having heard some scandalous rumours about him, she did not. Handler's made the allusions into the story - or at least, Lemony's story. Cool. I haven't read The Divine Comdey yet, but I intend on reading it.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 9, 2004 19:53:43 GMT -5
Also, see the threads on J. Alfred Prufrock in Situation Worsens. Could you find that for me? I can't seem to find it. Can you find the entire text of "Portrait of a Lady"? Here you go:
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Post by kjlsnicket29 on Sept 9, 2004 22:10:14 GMT -5
Wow, that "Portrait of a Lady" paragraph you just gave really DOES sound like Lemony and Beatrice. And the "Lady" in the title, "Portrait of a Lady" could...mean to be...Beatrice. Never know. But it's far-fetched.
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Post by Dante on Sept 10, 2004 10:59:54 GMT -5
Cool. I haven't read The Divine Comdey yet, but I intend on reading it. Of course, the Divine Comedy looks more to the future than the past. All that matters to Dante is reaching Beatrice, not dwelling on the past. And really, Beatrice is secondary to the story - the primary interest is the exploration of Hell, Mount Purgatory and the Heavens. Information about Dante's life is usually found in the foreword - in the Dorothy L. Sayers translation, that is. And, Tocuna, it is indeed fascinating. Sorry to be off-topic, but it seemed discourteous not to reply.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 11, 2004 7:40:24 GMT -5
Of course, the Divine Comedy looks more to the future than the past. All that matters to Dante is reaching Beatrice, not dwelling on the past. And really, Beatrice is secondary to the story - the primary interest is the exploration of Hell, Mount Purgatory and the Heavens. Information about Dante's life is usually found in the foreword - in the Dorothy L. Sayers translation, that is. I also heard that the book isn't necessarily about Haven, Hell, and Purgatory, but about people he knows and likes and dislikes. Sorta off-topic. Not that far-fetched. Yeah. I don't know if T. S. Eliot meant for it to be Beatrice, but it could be applied to be Beatrice.
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Post by kjlsnicket29 on Sept 11, 2004 13:12:43 GMT -5
Well, yes, it could be.... That would be elaborate, and interesting.
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Post by Antenora on Sept 11, 2004 19:16:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the whole poem text, Cassandra. Like the Love Song, it is very beautiful, yet a bit confusing.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 11, 2004 21:22:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the whole poem text, Cassandra. Like the Love Song, it is very beautiful, yet a bit confusing. Yeah, they are both rather confusing. But I think Protrait of a Lady is a little less confusing.
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Post by kjlsnicket29 on Sept 11, 2004 23:23:02 GMT -5
Yes, because if you make the Lady Beatrice, then it's easier to understand.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 12, 2004 10:04:09 GMT -5
Well, when I was reading it, before that last stanza when the Beatrice and Lemony twist was screaming at me, I could still understand it.
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Post by kjlsnicket29 on Sept 15, 2004 18:11:42 GMT -5
Oh. Well...then either way....it's easier to understand. It was just easier for me to understand when I made the woman Beatrice.
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