ferder
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Post by ferder on Aug 21, 2004 13:52:50 GMT -5
I was wondering why Mr. Poe almost lets the kids live with Shirly and Captain Sham, and why he let them live with Mr. Sir, the Squalers, or the VFD Town. I thought they were only allowed to live with relatives. That's why they weren't allowed to live with Justice Strause. Is the change of rules because all there relatives are dead (Aunt Jo, and Uncle Monty)? Don't they have other relatives?
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 21, 2004 14:18:26 GMT -5
There are several explanations, excluding "Mr. Snicket is a careless writer":
1. Mr. Poe had been decieved by these people into thinking they were really relatives.
2. He's allied to Olaf, and therefore would allow him to have the children(in the cases of Sham and Shirley).
3. All the relatives really are dead. However, aren't there other Baudelaire relatives mentioned that we've never seen, such as Uncle Elwin? This theory doesn't really work out.
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Post by negativenine on Aug 21, 2004 15:53:36 GMT -5
Or 4. Mr. Poe is part of the good part of VFD, which is testing the Baudelaires by putting them in danger.
Oooh! See? Look! I posted in teh ASOUE section! *is back*
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Post by MrBaudelaire on Aug 21, 2004 17:04:21 GMT -5
Yes it was mentioned in TVV
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Post by Antenora on Aug 21, 2004 17:06:32 GMT -5
I believe it was mentioned in a book after TWW that since the Baudelaire's relatives are either dead, or not interested in taking them in (or dead and uninterested in adopting orphans) that the Baudelaires can live with non-relatives. Good point. I wasn't considering the factor of potential guardians who turned down Poe's offers to take in the Baudelaires. Elwin may have been one of them.
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Post by PJ on Sept 5, 2004 6:59:20 GMT -5
Yes In ( I think it is) TVV he says that all other relatives are scared cos their all murdered shortly after the children joined them... ( I mean, monty, Josephine, Someone got sawed in half in TMM, Kidnapping in TAA and more kidnapping in TEE so their all just scared.... Besides, I think the relative thing with the parents was just for the city that they lived in... and Olaf was the only relative in the area. Wait a minute, I just thought of something. IF the parents are VFD (which they almost certaintly are) how come they sent the children to count Olaf of all people? Didn't they know he was related (or perhaps he only told Mr Poe that he was related, or he faked a few family trees and such) I dunno. Oh well.
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Post by Antenora on Sept 5, 2004 7:08:57 GMT -5
Maybe they didn't know they would really send the children to Olaf, or perhaps there were indeed fake family trees. Alternatively, perhaps Olaf killed a relative who lived closer to the Baudelaires.
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Post by Dante on Sept 5, 2004 10:50:13 GMT -5
Also, as was recently pointed out to me, according to Poe in Book the First, the will just says that they are to be raised in the most convenient way possible. Next of kin is customary, and their hometown is good because they know their way around.
So, contrary to popular opinion, there was no "list" of relatives who the parents said the kids should be sent to. There's a whole load of false information out there. Watch yourselves.
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Post by Alchemist on Sept 6, 2004 6:20:15 GMT -5
Yes. A seafood feast of red herrings comes with every book.
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Post by Dante on Sept 6, 2004 7:14:49 GMT -5
I was thinking more of people who didn't read the books carefully enough, and spread around information that wasn't in the books or even implied in the books.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Sept 6, 2004 7:43:04 GMT -5
Okay, expanding on some previously said stuff.
1) Mr. Poe didn't know that Shirley and Captain Sham were Olaf, and since it was the will of their last/latest gaurdian for them to go with them, Mr. Poe would oblidge.
2) Okay, since all their relatices are dead, or unwilling to take them on, so you have to go to the "conveinently possible" part of the will and such. Which I suppose means "conveinently possible" for the adults, not the Baudeslaires.
I'm pretty sure that the Baudelaire Parents had no intention of sending them to Olaf. Perhaps the will that Mr. Poe had wasn't a revised one, and the revised one was burned up in the fire. Which Olaf started. I'm sure.
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Post by Dante on Sept 6, 2004 7:49:16 GMT -5
2) Okay, since all their relatices are dead, or I'm pretty sure that the Baudelaire Parents had no intention of sending them to Olaf. Perhaps the will that Mr. Poe had wasn't a revised one, and the revised one was burned up in the fire. Which Olaf started. I'm sure. Well, it's not like there was a list of relatives or anything. And I'm sick of hearing from people who seem to think that there was. If you want to argue about why the Baudelaire parents didn't say "Don't send 'em to Olaf, he's bad news", you can argue that they didn't know that he was related to them (it is pretty distant) or that they assumed that Poe would realise that Olaf wasn't going to win any prizes for kindness. And you could probably work V.F.D. into that last one, although I'm too weary to explain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2004 18:52:01 GMT -5
or Family=Member of VFD
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Post by tgreene12 on Oct 9, 2004 21:45:52 GMT -5
Why would their parents even live in the same City as Olaf? Talk about a dumb Idea if you ask me.
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Post by Cassandra's Ruins on Oct 11, 2004 9:02:50 GMT -5
Well, it's not like there was a list of relatives or anything. There was one that could possibly exist, because Mr. Poe would need a list to call the various relatives in the beginning of TVV. I remember that Mr. Fagin was the relative he was on the phone with, and that that was a reference to Dickens. But hey, just giving a list would be boring.
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