JOURNAL
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Post by JOURNAL on Mar 26, 2005 23:49:32 GMT -5
I do not know what thread this topic belongs in or whether another contributor has discussed this subject, but I noticed an interesting detail while reading the Carnivorous Carnival for the second time. On page 202, Snicket mentions the Baudelaires traveled to a vineyard with their parents. Snicket's account explains, "this vineyard was famous for having grapes that smelled delicious, and it was very pleasant to picnic in the fields, while the fragrance drifted in the air and the Vineyard's Famous Donkeys, who helped carry bushels of grapes at harvesttime, slept in the shade of the grapevines." Notice that the Vineyard's Famous Donkeys share V.F.D's intials, and the orchard emits a fragrant odor. Lemony and Beatrice Beatrice planned to wed at the Vineyard of Fragrant Grapes, or, as the volunteers referred to it in the warning included in the UA, the Vineyard of Fragrant Drapes. So, the Baudelaire parents may have brought their children to the vineyard for the proposed wedding or another VFD meeting. Supposing the Baudelaire's mother is not Beatrice, maybe one of the parents helped organize the wedding and discovered Olaf's plan to burn the lovers. Please tell me your opinions of this theory.
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Post by Dante on Mar 27, 2005 3:30:47 GMT -5
Possible. That might be where the Baudelaire children learnt who Lemony was (but probably got a mistaken impression).
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Antenora
Detriment Deleter
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Post by Antenora on Mar 27, 2005 8:47:41 GMT -5
I haven't heard this theory before, but I think it's possible. If it were so, Beatrice could have died just before the series proper began, or even at some point while it was taking place. I think that makes sense with regard to the timeline.
Also, this could explain why the name "Snicket" was familiar to the Baudelaires.
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Post by RockSunner on Mar 27, 2005 9:30:21 GMT -5
The description fits a family picnic, not a called-off wedding. But the parents might have gone there to make weding preparations for Lemony and Beatrice. The children lost their parents for a time, which might have been when they were meeting and planning. I haven't heard this theory before, but I think it's possible. If it were so, Beatrice could have died just before the series proper began, or even at some point while it was taking place. I think that makes sense with regard to the timeline. It doesn't work very well with the timeline, IMHO. There's the issue of the 15-lonely-year period between Lemony and Beatrice. TAA p. 158 "...the message I'd been trying to give her for fifteen long and lonely years..." This lonely period cannot reasonably overlap with their engagement. so it must follow the engagement's being broken. Klaus was at the picnic at the Vineyard of Fragrant Drapes. He is only thirteen now, and he was capable of walking by himself then (we know because of the parent hunt). I'd say the picnic took place less than ten years ago. If the picnic was for the called-off wedding, the countdown on the lonely years begins then. This would lead to the warning to Beatrice being given five years after the start of SOUE, and her dying after that. The whole course of the series of unfortunate events for the Baudelaires should be over by then, unless there's a big time jump in the next two books.
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