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Post by negativenine on Jul 24, 2003 19:12:28 GMT -5
Wow... you're right. Everything does lead to overall feeling of doom. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. *hits self over head*
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Post by effigyrelease on Aug 7, 2003 11:42:37 GMT -5
Sorry about the messed up post, I accdently clicked reset. Anyway I agree with TheShinyEye that it's a way of identifying V.F.D members. It could explain why Esme was so upset about Beatrice stealing the sugar bowl. Maybe Esme was going to do something (no clue what) that involved people knowing/thinking that she was in V.F.D, and the plan was messed up because of it. i do believe that she IS or at least WAS a member of the V.F.D. in the minutes in LSUA (can't think of the page number), she was kind of said to be a member. wait, lemme get my book... E: (laughs) O: Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, perhaps someone in this very room has betrayed you! so... seeing as olaf was once a member, and esme has been in cohorts with olaf for quite the while now, it would seem fairly obvious that she was once a member of the VFD as well.
i tried my best to explain it. >_< sorry if someone already pointed this out.
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Post by negativenine on Aug 7, 2003 12:57:21 GMT -5
But after that, it says:
M: E and O, neither of you are welcome at this meeting! O: Actually, I prefer to be called T. M: We're not going to call you anything at all. Please leave at once.
Which seems to suggest that they didn't actually belong to V.F.D. at that time. Maybe they did before, or maybe they tried to trick people into believing they did, and for a while it worked -- long enough to find out their secrets and to put some serious dents in their plans. Plus, from what we see of Olaf now, I doubt he can actually be considered smart enough to be a real V.F.D. member, although that may have changed since he was a young'n.
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Post by MikeT on Aug 8, 2003 5:35:22 GMT -5
In the minutes it mentions the way they use code:
Someone might, for example, forget crucial information regarding the exact location of the automobiles we use to store nesscary files and convey messages, or think they forget the Sebald Code and they think there were eight uncoded words between each coded word, instead of ten. The sugar bowl secret could slip their minds entirely. This could lead to grave misunderstandings during coded communication, and we can't afford that
So, definatly, this is way of communicating...
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Post by CountQuagmire on Aug 9, 2003 4:42:00 GMT -5
GOOD! ;D Olaf wanted to be called S and T etc , just so he could keep his identity secret. And has anybody got a guess at what was in the box Olaf had? (And O can't stand for Olaf because VFD members are called by the first letter of their first name, being Olaf's name must be Oliver or something).
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Post by MikeT on Aug 9, 2003 4:50:21 GMT -5
no, the Olaf in Count Olaf could be his first name...
unless he's called Olaf Olaf like Montgomory Montgomory
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Post by the daily punctulio on Aug 13, 2003 22:46:33 GMT -5
the sugar bowl is mentioned 2 times on the Jerome's favorite Dinner's menu AND Snicket once stole a sugar bowl from Esme squalor (see the hostile hospital)
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Post by beatrice on Aug 14, 2003 21:30:22 GMT -5
The Sugar Bowl Secret is this:at V.F.D.(Veritable French Diner)the waiters,being V.F.D.er's put microphones in the sugar bowls so they could eavesdrop on important conversations.
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Post by Indistinguishable Blob on Aug 18, 2003 7:31:29 GMT -5
GOOD! ;D Olaf wanted to be called S and T etc , just so he could keep his identity secret. And has anybody got a guess at what was in the box Olaf had? (And O can't stand for Olaf because VFD members are called by the first letter of their first name, being Olaf's name must be Oliver or something). I got this from the Unoffical ASoUE FAQ, or whatever it is ( I for got the actual name). "At the end of the VFD Building Commitee meeting (The VFD Social, I call it), what was the object that O pulled out and showed to everyone? Any truth to the rumor that it was a match? 25. I was thinking something like a match or a lighter." It comes from DH himself, so..but then again, you never know.
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Post by Philiwili the deviet on Nov 12, 2003 2:08:16 GMT -5
I agree, I think the that a match was pulled, origanally I thought it was a snake or something but a match box makes more sense. Olaf doesnt seem scared of it, and everyone else does because they are Volunteer Fire Department( or was it detectives?) (as it says in the Slippery Slope). I also agree with the sugar bowl, 4 in TSS it plays a vital role as Esme wants it, but Olaf doesn't. I think Esme somehow is connected to Beatrice(maybe they r sisters!)
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Post by Jace on Nov 12, 2003 17:13:48 GMT -5
I followed the index's information on Sugarbowl, and it lead me to doom, overall feeling of. It instructed me to check pgs. IX through 211, which is the entire book except for page 212, which is BURNED through. Interesting.
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Post by SnicketFires on Nov 13, 2003 18:54:50 GMT -5
under "red herrings" though it leads you to page 29 (?) with all those pictures of Beatrice/K/R/ Snicket Sister and the VFD HQs etc... i'd hate to think they were all red herrings...
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Post by Tay Sachs on Nov 15, 2003 2:32:45 GMT -5
Here is what I get out of Lemony, Beatrice, Esme and the sugarbowl. I have no idea what was in the sugar bowl. Probably a coded message. Whatever it was, Lemony feels unrelenting guilt because he stole the sugar bowl from Esme, and Beatrice caught the blame for it. I don't think Esme and Beatrice are sisters, as Lemony and Beatrice were engaged, and he doesn't recognize Esme or even know her last name when she takes Beatrice's place in "The World is Quiet Here" in LSUA. If they were engaged surely he would know her sister?
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Post by SnicketFires on Nov 15, 2003 23:50:48 GMT -5
thats a good theory count quagmire, where is the official ASOUE FAQ?
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Post by DariaSquagromie on Nov 19, 2003 15:45:26 GMT -5
Definitely a communication form, or perhaps a concealed microphone-recoder thing-- I mean, tape recorder, so you can surreptitiously record conversations, etc. I don't know. Someone posed that theory to me, and I think it sounds plausible. Anyway, there's a very important sugar bowl out there . . . And the index DOES occasionally refer you to actual pages, but I can't figure out where the "overall feeling of doom" circle starts.
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