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Post by redwine with valium on Sept 30, 2004 15:50:47 GMT -5
Yes I know what ecletic means, I just wanted him to explain what he meant by.......oh nevermind.
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Post by Tay Sachs on Oct 3, 2004 7:27:49 GMT -5
Because I felt like the church I am going to now is getting too Romanized, I guess? I like the old school, what can I say.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 5, 2004 21:13:43 GMT -5
Because I felt like the church I am going to now is getting too Romanized, I guess? I like the old school, what can I say. Romanized? What do you mean by that?
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Post by songbird11989 on Oct 5, 2004 21:20:15 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]I put down other...I'm Jewish, but now especially it's harder to maintain a strictly Jewish identity. I do believe in G-d and my religion, but it's hard to be true to your faith, the current time and your heart (as far as inter-marriage goes)...[/glow]
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 5, 2004 21:50:19 GMT -5
God exsists. I don't know right now wheter this is because I beleive it or I've beleived it so long I just don't want to stop beleiving it. I beleive in some form of God, I just don't like the God of the catholic religion or the rules of that religion. I sy catholic because it's theo ne that applies to me. I guess I had a problem with God telling people to forgive and thats really contradictorty if he sends people to hell instead of forgiving him. And then teheres a bunch of little things, like the abortion and homosexuality and such. I could go into detail but I have to shower now so I won't.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 6, 2004 18:45:07 GMT -5
God exsists. I don't know right now wheter this is because I beleive it or I've beleived it so long I just don't want to stop beleiving it. I beleive in some form of God, I just don't like the God of the catholic religion or the rules of that religion. I sy catholic because it's theo ne that applies to me. I guess I had a problem with God telling people to forgive and thats really contradictorty if he sends people to hell instead of forgiving him. And then teheres a bunch of little things, like the abortion and homosexuality and such. I could go into detail but I have to shower now so I won't. You know, I know quite a few people who feel the same way you do, especially about the hell thing. Here's the thing: God is forgiving. If He wasn't, we'd all go to hell because none of us can possibly be good enough to deserve heaven in our own right. But when we reject Him, when we hate Him or disbelieve in Him, we choose hell over His "house" (heaven). Make sense? Also, about a lot of the little things: Often, the little things must simply be overlooked. One can never agree 100% with everything said in church. But you might like the Orthodox church, in that we don't condemn. As in, we don't believe in homosexuality, but we most certainly won't tell you your going to hell for it. That's not our place.
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Post by songbird11989 on Oct 7, 2004 14:59:53 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]Today in class we were actually discussing religion, specifically the difference between being atheist and agnostic (Herman Melville was agnostic, this was in American Lit). One kid said he didn't believe in G-d and that he was Atheist, yet one person got offended by it. I think that religion, at least where I live, does not have much importance. People get barmitzvahs just for the party most of the time and then after they don't even go to temple.[/glow]
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 7, 2004 18:29:37 GMT -5
You know, I know quite a few people who feel the same way you do, especially about the hell thing. Here's the thing: God is forgiving. If He wasn't, we'd all go to hell because none of us can possibly be good enough to deserve heaven in our own right. But when we reject Him, when we hate Him or disbelieve in Him, we choose hell over His "house" (heaven). Make sense? It does make sense as it did all through grade school and in my Morality class. So we reject him and get sent to hell but shouldn't we start to feel sorry around this time? By then it's apparently too late though. I think we should be able to be forgiven at anytime, since we are only human and maybe we can't realize what we've done until we actually die. A preist was telling the story where this guy was being rude to this poor lonely beggar and then when they both died the rich one became the poor lonely beggar in hell. So Abraham said since he never helped the beggar, they couldn't help him now. Which kinda defeats the purpose of forgiveness and all that. I know it's the old testament but it still applies. I don't see how a loving forgiving God could let people he created burn and suffer eternal pain forever just because they didn't learn the proper lessons during their short time on earth. Yeah, I don't like when people would dislike a religion just because they don't agree 100%. I don't like my religion for lots of shallow reasons that prove I shouldn't have a religion anyway if I'm going to take a half assed approach at it.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 7, 2004 18:45:41 GMT -5
It does make sense as it did all through grade school and in my Morality class. So we reject him and get sent to hell but shouldn't we start to feel sorry around this time? By then it's apparently too late though. I think we should be able to be forgiven at anytime, since we are only human and maybe we can't realize what we've done until we actually die. A preist was telling the story where this guy was being rude to this poor lonely beggar and then when they both died the rich one became the poor lonely beggar in hell. So Abraham said since he never helped the beggar, they couldn't help him now. Which kinda defeats the purpose of forgiveness and all that. I know it's the old testament but it still applies. I don't see how a loving forgiving God could let people he created burn and suffer eternal pain forever just because they didn't learn the proper lessons during their short time on earth. But it's not that they "didn't learn their lesson", its that they actively rejected him. And think of it: If everyone went to heaven, what would it actually mean? Heaven would mean nothing, because it would take nothing to get there.
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Post by Charles Vane on Oct 7, 2004 20:01:42 GMT -5
But it's not that they "didn't learn their lesson", its that they actively rejected him. And think of it: If everyone went to heaven, what would it actually mean? Heaven would mean nothing, because it would take nothing to get there. That doesn't mean people should have to suffer so heaven is worthing going to. Heaven is perfect and happy and that wouldn't change no matter how many people are there. If you're a good enough person to get into heavenwould you be happy with yourself knowing people are in hell while you're enjoying yourself?
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Post by MoonyGirl21 on Oct 7, 2004 20:17:34 GMT -5
So then, if the Bible's not completely true, who wrote it? Men did. They may be God's words, His book, but men themselves wrote it all down. If there are any mistakes/discrepencies/etc., it's because of that. Does it matter though? That said, a great deal in there cold be taken in a different way. I believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I also believe that people who aren't Christian are NOT going to hell. My jsutification? Well, out of all the things in the Bible, which is the ONE thing everythnig else is based on (excluding the Old Testament)? Love. How could God, who created each and every human being with so much care, condemn someone jsut because their vision is a little clouded. As I see it, as long as you live life by those principles that most people do anyway, when you die, you'll know that there is a God, and what you do then will determine where you spend eternity. Now the people who acknowledge that God exists and purposefully scorn Him . . . yeah, not good. A friend of mine once said that looking at God is like looking at a mountain -- we all see a different side (religions), but in the end, we're all looking at the same mountain. Makes sense to me Er, that was long. Sorry! You got me all excited.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 7, 2004 20:47:25 GMT -5
Longer posts are lovely. The mountain analogy is certainly an interesting one. And I'm willing to say it might be true. Personally, I am not willing to condemn anybody, especially not those of other religions. Nobody's in a position to do that but God.
And yes, the Bible was written by men. I do acknowledge that. I also acknowledge that their are some mistakes/biases contained in it due to its human influence. Example: One of the Disciples was very prejudiced against women. The bias passed into his writing, and I feel it shouldn't be taken as God's Word. The Bible isn't perfect. My favorite quote concerning that: Somebody needs to tell these fundamentalists that the Bible was NOT Fed-Exed from heaven!
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Post by MoonyGirl21 on Oct 7, 2004 21:02:04 GMT -5
Love the quote! One thing I don't really like about Catholicism, etc. is the importance of ritual, tradition, all that fun stuff. No offense intended, I really don't mean it in a bad way. For me, religion is just a very private thing. I mean, yes, we go to church on Sunday, youth group, Bible study, and interact with others regarding faith, but the faith itself has to come from deep down inside yourself, and as long as you have something there (even just a good heart), that's all you need. I don't think I could make it through my life without my faith. It's kind of a nice thing to have, eh?
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 15, 2004 13:18:06 GMT -5
Love the quote! One thing I don't really like about Catholicism, etc. is the importance of ritual, tradition, all that fun stuff. No offense intended, I really don't mean it in a bad way. For me, religion is just a very private thing. I mean, yes, we go to church on Sunday, youth group, Bible study, and interact with others regarding faith, but the faith itself has to come from deep down inside yourself, and as long as you have something there (even just a good heart), that's all you need. I don't think I could make it through my life without my faith. It's kind of a nice thing to have, eh? Yes it is. But tradition is a part of religion I am quite fond of. Tradition can be a beautiful way to connect with God, but you are correct in stating that tradition is no replacement for faith inside yourself.
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Post by Vince Noir on Oct 21, 2004 13:04:19 GMT -5
I have no evidence to prove that God does exisit, but also have no prove that he dosnt. Although, i do slightly lean towards not believing in him due to the big bang and evolution theory
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