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Post by Dante on Jan 3, 2010 17:18:21 GMT -5
The only crime he's admitted to and expressed shame about is the theft of the sugar bowl from Esmé Squalor.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jan 3, 2010 19:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I just back on a few things, I wonder if he is telling the truth or weather we only trust that he is because he is the only insight we have?
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jan 3, 2010 19:46:42 GMT -5
Also I don't see why he is so ashamed about the sugar bowl? Yeah he stole something- but frankly I wouldn't be that bothered about a sugar bowl? And they only stole it because Kit said it would be a good place to hide something important- didn't they?
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Post by looneylad on Jan 3, 2010 20:39:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I just back on a few things, I wonder if he is telling the truth or weather we only trust that he is because he is the only insight we have? Because of how closely tied into the story he is, Snicket is something of an unreliable narrator. But he stresses many times that he is innocent of the crimes he has been accused of. Also I don't see why he is so ashamed about the sugar bowl? Yeah he stole something- but frankly I wouldn't be that bothered about a sugar bowl? And they only stole it because Kit said it would be a good place to hide something important- didn't they? The sugar bowl is a vital plot device. What it is, or what it contains remains something of a mystery, but it is obviously important, so stealing it would be bad I suppose.
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Post by Dante on Jan 4, 2010 3:56:07 GMT -5
The very timeline of the sugar bowl - whether it was already important when Lemony stole it, for example - is something we're uncertain about. As for Lemony being an unreliable narrator, it's possible, but because we have no other viewpoint, it doesn't get us anywhere. You would never be able to establish what was really true.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jan 4, 2010 9:13:18 GMT -5
OK, good points- thanks guys:)
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Post by Sophie-Senpi on Mar 13, 2010 22:30:10 GMT -5
I think 'to call O "L"' means 'to call Olivia "Lulu"' (Madam Lulu, from TCC, whose real name is Olivia). ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i was wondering who 'L' was..........
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 23, 2016 7:36:07 GMT -5
This thread is awesome! I like:
I think you're right. I don't think it would make sense to call her Madame lulu! But the only L. in the series is Lemony. And we don't know what Lemony looks like either. Although for him to potentially be an impostor Olaf is interesting...Lemony said in the Beatrice Letters that he hates O., when they were still kids. But when I read that it did occur to me, that what if that wasn't Olaf? Olaf says in the UAB that he wants to be called T., and in other places he used different initials.
But who else could have received her letters?
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Post by Dante on Sept 23, 2016 8:19:50 GMT -5
One thing which I think is worth bearing in mind is that initials may be referred to which don't represent any character we've ever met. Actually, this is related to the way we only know some characters through their initials (like R., the Duchess of Winnipeg, whose full name is unknown), or were first introduced to them that way (Kit was known for several years only as K.).
My own opinion on this is that Lemony was certainly the recipient of all of Beatrice's letters, but he may have misread or misunderstood them due to not knowing if he could trust the sender, or due to wanting to avoid meeting with her for other reasons - for instance, that he might not have had any good news for her or anything positive to impart... Oh, but there is one exception. I have always believed, and continue to believe, that BB to LS #6, Beatrice's calling card, was not meant for Lemony.
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Post by lorelai on Sept 23, 2016 13:05:41 GMT -5
Aaaaah, the "last message was not meant for Lemony Dante theory"!!! Let me have my uncle and niece meeting; it can end miserably, I just want it!!! (I mock rant with love, it's just funny to me that we agree on so many other ASOUE mysteries to the point that we've solidified each other's theories, but your explanation just doesn't click for me.)
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Post by Dante on Sept 23, 2016 13:36:48 GMT -5
Of course they have their meeting. But it occurs before that card is sent. BB to LS #5 concludes their storyline too satisfyingly to require a further addition written in a completely different manner.
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 25, 2016 18:14:30 GMT -5
I want to hear your theory!!! What gave you the idea it wasn't meant for Lemony?
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Post by Dante on Sept 26, 2016 5:25:24 GMT -5
I don't want it to draw attention away from other people asking questions about TBL, which is the purpose of this thread, but I outline my theory at the end of this post.
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Post by lsandthebooks on Oct 17, 2016 15:27:08 GMT -5
I read it! I think it's cool, but I wish we knew who the mystery character could have been if you're right.
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Post by lemonysnuckin on May 6, 2018 22:33:48 GMT -5
Lemony writing to Beatrice (the Baudelaires mother), and Young Beatrice (Kit's daughter) is writing to Lemony, yes. I think Lemony didn't date the letters because he didn't want to have to concentrate too hard on the timeline for the series. My theory for why L.S. did not date his letters is a bit more romantic. I am not the sappy type, so you will have to bear with me: It would be completely within L.S.' character to remember every interaction he had with BB, Sr. to the date, and know exactly when he wrote his own letters due to the events described therein. Not only that, but I think that for L.S. his time with BB, Sr. stands still, and is happening simultaneously in the past and in the present. So much so that time is immaterial to his life with her, but grows in significance when he finally loses her for good. Take this quote, "I will love you as we grow older, which has just happened, and has happened again, and happened several days ago, continuously, and then several years before that, and will continue to happen as the spinning hands of every clock and the flipping pages of every calendar mark the passage of time, except for the clocks that people have forgotten to wind and the calendars that people have forgotten to place in a highly visible area." (LS to BB #5 at Dusk) I believe this quote demonstrates my points. I believe L.S. refers to himself as the person who forgot to wind the clock and put the calendar out because the only thing that matters to him is BB, Sr. and his life with her, or even just her own happiness. It has so consumed him that he writes her back at all hours of the day because it is only then when he has collected his thoughts enough to pen his response. L.S. will love BB, Sr. no matter what day it is, nor what time, and he only makes reference of the time here to show how much time he had truly spent "untying 'My Silence Knot'," so he feels no need to date his correspondence. Both relevant parties would already have been fully aware of when they were written.
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