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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 2, 2012 18:21:49 GMT -5
It only looks cluttered because it's laid out like that. Remember how we don't see the book like that, and we have to turn it to either see the spine or the front cover. I really like that cover, and I almost regret pre-ordering the American version, but in the end they're both actually pretty nice. At least the U.S. version has that golden ATWQ background plate thingy (as the professional designer would call it). I'm sure, like with ASoUE, that Egmont will keep the octopi but recolour them I think it's much too early to say that octopi will stay an important plot element throughout the series and not just this volume. I actually think that the octopi will be changed to something else for each book, just like the border in the Egmont ASoUE books changed with each book (feathers in TVV, snow bees in TSS, apples in TE, etc).
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2012 1:57:30 GMT -5
I think it's much too early to say that octopi will stay an important plot element throughout the series and not just this volume. I actually think that the octopi will be changed to something else for each book, just like the border in the Egmont ASoUE books changed with each book (feathers in TVV, snow bees in TSS, apples in TE, etc). I agree that it's too early to call, but I think your analogy to ASoUE favours my argument. Leaving aside that the octopi are likely regardless to remain an important element of the flavouring of the setting - Stain'd is more or less built on them, but I'll dismiss that, because I do think it's too early to call - then let's look at Egmont's ASoUE. Every single book had a spine with a pattern of thorns that never changed and had nothing to do with the series itself (although it was an oblique reference to the U.S. covers). But while the thorns didn't change, the colour of them did. The octopi take literally exactly the same place on the spine as the thorns did for ASoUE. The changing border element you're referring to has its analogy in the hard-to-see hawser border on the edge of the spine in the top photograph of the cover, and that I think will change each book to a relevant device. (So too the falling Snicket, which'll be based on the main cover image, the Beast, and maybe the roadster, I imagine - if the art on the U.S. cover has something that'll fit the shape of the slot, anyway.)
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Post by Groge on Oct 3, 2012 2:07:58 GMT -5
Love the look of this. Spine looks great and will sit nicely next to my ASOUE. Can't wait!
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2012 3:32:07 GMT -5
All we're really waiting for now are the back covers. We've no idea what they'll be like. I think publishers miss a trick in not releasing them most of the time as we're certainly just as interested. It's one of the last major things we don't know.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Oct 3, 2012 4:26:37 GMT -5
I really like the cover now, it seems like it's getting better with every version. Maybe I'm only getting used to it... I hope there will be a different little picture on every book where the little Bombinating Beast is now, they would look good next to each other.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 3, 2012 6:29:39 GMT -5
I agree that it's too early to call, but I think your analogy to ASoUE favours my argument. Leaving aside that the octopi are likely regardless to remain an important element of the flavouring of the setting - Stain'd is more or less built on them, but I'll dismiss that, because I do think it's too early to call - then let's look at Egmont's ASoUE. Every single book had a spine with a pattern of thorns that never changed and had nothing to do with the series itself (although it was an oblique reference to the U.S. covers). But while the thorns didn't change, the colour of them did. The octopi take literally exactly the same place on the spine as the thorns did for ASoUE. The changing border element you're referring to has its analogy in the hard-to-see hawser border on the edge of the spine in the top photograph of the cover, and that I think will change each book to a relevant device. (So too the falling Snicket, which'll be based on the main cover image, the Beast, and maybe the roadster, I imagine - if the art on the U.S. cover has something that'll fit the shape of the slot, anyway.) I'm not sure I know what you mean with the "hawser border" (do you mean the title bar?). But I agree with you on the little falling Snicket, the Beast, and the roadster, they are very probably going to change with each book. That may indeed leave the octopi to stay for the rest of the books, but it presupposes that the setting of Stain'd-by-the-Sea remains the same throughout the entire series. The thing is, we don't really know a lot about the series as a whole yet, do we? The only thing we got is that it's about a young Lemony Snicket and (maybe) his apprenticeship and (probably) VFD (if I have missed something, then please do tell). And I knew that you meant the thorns when you said "like with ASoUE." But thorns are something much less specific than octopi, which would also lead back to the previous question of the series' setting. The octopi do take the same place on the spine as the thorns, but I think it's important to mind that the cover design, although similar, is rather different to the Egmont ASoUE books, and doesn't have to take the same routes. All we're really waiting for now are the back covers. We've no idea what they'll be like. I think publishers miss a trick in not releasing them most of the time as we're certainly just as interested. It's one of the last major things we don't know. Yeah, I'm also excited to read the book's "Dear Reader" on the back. What I think is a little odd is that we've seen much less of the "do not read this dreadful book"-technique in this series. The only instances I can think of is how the ataché case mentioned that the release and stuff has to be kept secret, and the letter on the LSATWQ website, which opens with "Dear reader, please leave" (but then dials it down when Snicket considers the reader "a colleague"). I think they switched the notion of the books being too dreadful to read, to having to be kept secret (which, now that I think of it, is kind of a bummer). Oh, and sorry for the double post. Reason for Editing: Moderator Edit: Merging double-post.
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2012 7:31:50 GMT -5
Just use the Modify button, Terry Craig! That's what it's there for. As for the "hawser border," if you look on the photographic front cover in the first post, you can see a border between the blue of the spine and the green of the main cover - I'm pretty sure that's meant to represent the hawser, and I'm pretty sure it's taking the place of the little motif borders we got on every ASoUE book, too (like the eyes, snakes etc.). It's easy to miss partly as it's the same colour as the spine, partly as the photograph is a little blurry, and partly as every single other image of the cover that Egmont's released has been out-of-date and hasn't included it.
Egmont's publicisation of WCTBATH is a bit weird in general, actually. Less than three weeks from release, and it's not even on their own website. Which has a "Forthcoming Titles" section listing books coming in November.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Oct 3, 2012 8:48:29 GMT -5
Promotion overall seems to have halted. Im less excited than 4 weeks ago,,,
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2012 8:50:01 GMT -5
I agree. We haven't had a Snicketmail for over a month. I hope they're planning something - both Hachette and Egmont.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Oct 3, 2012 8:58:20 GMT -5
Yes, I miss the mails too! I was already starting to wonder if it's just me who doesn't get them.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 3, 2012 9:24:23 GMT -5
Just use the Modify button, Terry Craig! That's what it's there for. As for the "hawser border," if you look on the photographic front cover in the first post, you can see a border between the blue of the spine and the green of the main cover Blimey, you're right, there is a hawser border! I didn't see that one before, like, at all, because of it being the same color as the spine. Then I guess it does probably take the place of the border on the ASoUE books. Oh, and I know about the Modify button, I was just too lazy : P and my two posts were about different things. But I know, I know, I should've just modified it, won't happen again.
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Post by B. on Oct 3, 2012 10:07:57 GMT -5
I actually like that- it's still similar to how ASoUE was marketed, although there's something darker about keeping things secret than just warning people away.
We also haven't seen any website promotions at all- the book trailer, the interactive game etc, yet with 20 days to go until release, nothing is happening.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 3, 2012 15:34:23 GMT -5
All we're really waiting for now are the back covers. We've no idea what they'll be like. I think publishers miss a trick in not releasing them most of the time as we're certainly just as interested. It's one of the last major things we don't know. I was under the impression the back cover would be a variation of the back cover from the preview, only without the "The complete book ..." snippet.
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2012 15:38:42 GMT -5
That potential back cover has, as you note, clearly been edited, though. In addition to the "complete book" line, I also wouldn't expect those database details about the book to be on it either. Also I'm kind of hoping for something less generic, but we'll take what we can get, I guess. But either way it's clearly not a final incarnation, and Egmont will probably buck the trend again anyway.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 3, 2012 15:47:36 GMT -5
In addition to the "complete book" line, I also wouldn't expect those database details about the book to be on it either. I imagine those details would be condensed into the serial bar. But this reminds me we also have the front and back flaps of the duskjacket to prepare for.
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