paisley
Formidable Foreman
every boat has it's own sail
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Post by paisley on Mar 4, 2013 20:45:28 GMT -5
Thanks sooooooo0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oooo000 much for posting! Needless to say, I am VERY excited to read the newest installment. But.... October 15th??? What am I going to do until then? :/
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Mar 5, 2013 1:21:07 GMT -5
October 15th??? What am I going to do until then? :/ There will be a lot to discuss and speculate before that, we won't get bored.
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Post by Lucas on Mar 5, 2013 2:54:58 GMT -5
Does anyone know any other information other then this so that I can add it? I've done basically everything on that page just from the few threads I've looked at, which isn't all of them, so I've definitely (possibly) missed something.
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Post by Dante on Mar 5, 2013 3:16:36 GMT -5
That's quite fine work, Lucas. I don't think at this stage there's anything more to add unless you feel the need to add a particular emphasis on the "crime of the book" pattern in which ?1 was theft and ?2 kidnap (and we've been told that a future book will feature the murder of a WCTBATH character, so ?3 or ?4 will be murder, I imagine).
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Post by Lucas on Mar 5, 2013 3:19:15 GMT -5
Thank you Dante!
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Post by Charlie on Mar 5, 2013 4:54:50 GMT -5
Perhaps the missing crime is arson? There's not much else I could think of that would fit.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Mar 5, 2013 9:42:42 GMT -5
Blackmail could be another possibility, but it's similar to kidnap. Piracy is also an option. Or fraud/forgery, but maybe that's not exciting enough. I don't think there's going to be any rape going on in these books. But arson would obviously be the safest bet. Or maybe drug dealing (joking).
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Post by Dante on Mar 5, 2013 10:03:46 GMT -5
Blackmail's the only suggestion I've heard that's as strong a contender as arson. If blackmail is the third crime then I'd expect it to be ?3 and murder ?4. Blackmail has a problem, though, which is that it's kind of an invisible crime - something that you turn up as a motive later on in the story. There are exceptions, I guess - there's precedent in fiction for people coming to private detectives asking them to solve a blackmail problem and be discreet about it. Personally, though, I'm envisaging murder for ?3 and an arson spree for ?4. I think that would fit the flow of the series better, although it's hard to explain why. I think perhaps that arson would reveal more, whereas murder seems more like a means to a very particular end. But doubtless we'll be able to make better predictions once we've taken in ?2.
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Post by Lucas on Mar 5, 2013 15:25:39 GMT -5
What if there is a murder in both 3? and 4? ? I do believe arson is a very likely option though. You guys are so smart
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Post by Dante on Mar 5, 2013 16:05:24 GMT -5
Well, there's at least one attempted murder in ?1. (Or is there?)
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Post by Christmas Chief on Mar 5, 2013 17:19:42 GMT -5
Blackmail's the only suggestion I've heard that's as strong a contender as arson. If blackmail is the third crime then I'd expect it to be ?3 and murder ?4. Blackmail has a problem, though, which is that it's kind of an invisible crime - something that you turn up as a motive later on in the story. There are exceptions, I guess - there's precedent in fiction for people coming to private detectives asking them to solve a blackmail problem and be discreet about it. Personally, though, I'm envisaging murder for ?3 and an arson spree for ?4. I think that would fit the flow of the series better, although it's hard to explain why. I think perhaps that arson would reveal more, whereas murder seems more like a means to a very particular end. But doubtless we'll be able to make better predictions once we've taken in ?2. Another reason the murder-arson sequence works well in my mind is that it follows a climax with a sort of resolution. If the entirety of ATWQ is seen as a single storyline, in other words, then the murder would serve as the climactic point, as presumably it would involve a single victim, and the fire as the denouement, which might include buildings, items, and the town of Stain'd as a whole.
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Q.R.V.
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Better paranoid than dead.
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Post by Q.R.V. on Mar 5, 2013 23:59:38 GMT -5
My guess would be murder in book 3, then flooding in book 4 as the sea returns to Stain'd-by-the-Sea; so a crime of "wanton destruction of property", perhaps with manslaughter if anybody drowns. It's possibly foreshadowed by "I wondered where all the water had gone when they'd drained this part of the sea, and I should have wondered."
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Post by Dante on Mar 6, 2013 2:50:00 GMT -5
That depends on how secure a reservoir Killdeer Fields is, I suppose. I'm concerned by the fact that, unless the town had a problem with rising water levels - which strikes me as not quite what's being implied - then a re-flooding would merely be a return to the status quo rather than something that causes particular property damage (except perhaps to Ink Inc.'s constructions on the valley floor, and wherever Hangfire's hiding out in the Clusterous Forest).
Good articulation, Sherry Ann, of why murder would make a better ?3 than ?4. It's a movement outwards from the specific to the general. Widespread property damage of one form or another is a more general existential threat than the murder of one person, which requires a much more specific threat even if other murders follow, and I don't think Handler's suggesting a serial killer's about to pop up anyway.
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Post by Ellie Spinelli on Mar 10, 2013 8:35:33 GMT -5
Just tossing out an idea: since the first book was Who? and this book is When? the other books could possibly be Where? or Why? or What?
Whatever the case I hope they don't repeat the first word in the title, I much prefer using Who? and When? to WCTBATH and WDYSHL or even ?1 and ?2.
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Post by Dante on Mar 10, 2013 9:07:43 GMT -5
I think it's widely assumed, at least implicitly, that the books will each be titled with a fresh WH-question. I'm equally certain that none of the questions will be reused. "Why?" seems like a good candidate for ?4, as it will surely delve deepest into the motivations of all involved, but I have a feeling it might just be reserved for ?3. If that's the murder book, it might be an important question to ask in regards to motive. The cases in all the books are somewhat paradoxical or strange. A stolen item that wasn't stolen. A kidnapped girl seen in two places at the same time. A murdered person who nobody wanted to murder? Or it could also be a case of how they were murdered, for instance, if it's something like a locked room mystery. But the sort of titles I'm envisaging for ?3 and ?4 are something like "Why Would Anyone Kill Him?" and "What Do You Want?" The latter also having the advantage of sounding insulting when you ask for it in bookstores...
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