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Post by M David Steel on Sept 10, 2014 16:00:32 GMT -5
would fernald be possible? just a teenager with normal hands. maybe it shows us what happens to him?
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Post by Dante on Sept 10, 2014 16:04:25 GMT -5
Alas, probably not, if Widdershins is a peer of Lemony's. I think we may reasonably accept that Widdershins is old enough to be Fernald's father, or at the very least, is older than him; besides, Fiona is born while Fernald is a teenager (we know this from the family photograph in TGG, from which we can also infer that Widdershins is probably older than Fernald), which gives us scant few years before Violet would have to be born. It's all a bit close, I'm afraid.
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Post by M David Steel on Sept 10, 2014 16:37:07 GMT -5
yes thats true if fionas only about 2 years older than violet and it could be as much as 10 years later violets born
suggesting fernald is just a kid at that point whos 11 at most (young enough in that picture to still be called a teenager)
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Post by Agathological on Sept 10, 2014 17:05:02 GMT -5
Reading ATWQ makes me think it takes place in the 50's while ASOUE is in the 80's. Qwerty's jacket tips me off firstly, Cleo's Dilhema and Jake's hairstyle all point to 1950's
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Post by Teleram on Sept 10, 2014 22:16:47 GMT -5
The illustration in ?2 with Lemony, Moxie, and Jake at Hungry's has an extremely 50's vibe to it, also.
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Post by facelesscreature on Sept 16, 2014 9:36:32 GMT -5
I thought I'd post some of my ideas here.
So, Dante already posted my Immortality theory in the CC thread. From my immortal theory, Beatrice is immortal and so is Lemony, Bertrand, etc... Anyways, with that theory, it makes the setting of ATWQ seem somewhat irrelevant. However, I'm sure that ?1 is set after the 1920's. Therefore, numerous characters could make an appearance in ?3 or ?4. I personally think that E is really Beatrice using another name. This explains why Lemony is so fascinated with her.
Furthermore, (from what I gathered) in TBL, the letters from Lemony are to Mrs. Beatrice Baudelaire. The letters to Lemony are from Beatrice Baudelaire II (Kit's daughter). Therefore, (with my immortal theory) it is unclear exactly how old Beatrice really is or when she became pregnant.
With this in mind, the setting of ASoUE could be somewhere between 1999 and 2009? (or any year after) So, I personally want Beatrice to be revealed or referenced in ?3 or ?4. Also, I want Olaf, (and possibly) Jacques to be revealed or referenced in ?3 or ?4.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jun 12, 2015 4:03:13 GMT -5
Re-reading bits and pieces of ASOUE, I was wondering about this for ?4. Has anyone noticed anything in the known material for the final ATWQ that might give us a clue about that book's returnee? I figure it could be any one, or indeed several, from a long list of characters: Kit, Jacques, Olaf, Bertrand, Beatrice. Or perhaps we'll be surprised with a look into Mr. Poe's mysterious past. Personally, I would've liked to see a young Jerome weigh in on the story, but unless we're getting a TPP-like mass return, his reappearance would likely not be momentous enough.
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Post by Dante on Jun 12, 2015 6:01:03 GMT -5
Jerome wouldn't have been as easy to handle as some of the other characters, since he's canonically not a Volunteer until TPP (with Hector at least there was some ambiguity). My feeling is that a big name seems appropriate for the final book; I feel that the background implied for Olaf in ?3 might well rule him out, but as we've developed more information on Theodora's former apprentice to the point of learning that he is Bertrand, he strikes me as a possibility - as does Beatrice, though only because of her importance to ASoUE, whereas she might leave ATWQ-only readers out in the cold. Jacques has been left out of the series a bit too much to feature, I think, but a reunion with Kit occurs to me as very plausible. The visiting characters have been totally unpredictable so far, but insofar as it might be possible to predict someone, I think Kit is the most likely individual. Assuming we don't get multiple, though, which is possible.
The simple fact is, though, that the returnee is going to have to be handled differently anyway, as the end of the series will almost certainly see Lemony departing Stain'd. Lemony himself will be a sort of returnee, to the city; that's another argument for Kit's appearance. But I make no predictions here.
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Post by gliquey on Jun 12, 2015 9:13:54 GMT -5
as does Beatrice, though only because of her importance to ASoUE, whereas she might leave ATWQ-only readers out in the cold. [...] The visiting characters have been totally unpredictable so far, but insofar as it might be possible to predict someone, I think Kit is the most likely individual. Assuming we don't get multiple, though, which is possible. I'm predicting Kit will definitely appear at some point in the book, whether that's with or without a second returning character in Chapter 13. I do agree that bringing in Beatrice could be confusing for people who haven't read ASOUE (or even people who've read parts of it but not TE). However, I reckon Handler could build up to her appearance throughout ?4 if he wanted to bring her back: there's roughly 300 pages in which, at some point, Lemony just needs to tell a story/anecdote about Beatrice (we already had the mentioning of the bat thing). Or she could be introduced first and then Lemony could explain who she is (either as a narrator or as a character, explaining to his friends from Stain'd).
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Post by Hermes on Jun 12, 2015 9:20:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure Beatrice would really be confusing to people who hadn't read ASOUE. They wouldn't get her whole significance, but that might not be needed: she could be given a part in the story which made sense on its own terms, just as Hector et al have been. (We ought, by the way, to hear a bit more about Hector's research, which looks as if it links up with the BB.)
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jun 13, 2015 4:29:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it will bertrand, as i think it would work better narratively. If he isn't the last-chapter-person then I'll be surpised fi eh doesn't turn up somewhere else.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Jun 15, 2015 9:50:58 GMT -5
Bertrand is mentioned as Theodora's previous apprentice, so I guess he's not going to appear, at least not as the character at the end of the book.
Kit is in the city, we know the train with Qwerty is on its way to the city, and I suppose part of the action is going to happen there and that Lemony is going to finally set free his sister.
I'm with the people who thinks Ellington is really Beatrice, so she's not the one appearing neither.
My guess is Olaf for ?4, probably giving us some information of how he ended up being the Olaf we knew in ASOUE.
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