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Post by M David Steel on Mar 14, 2015 21:36:13 GMT -5
How did mr poe know where to find the baudelaires?
he knew their schedule? the beach was close to their home? he had some tracking device?
also, how did he know about the fire? did someone tell him or was he visiting their parents and found the mansion in ruins?
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Mar 15, 2015 3:47:26 GMT -5
I think someone told him about the fire (maybe a VFD person), and then he maybe spent some time looking for the children. Or someone knew that they are there sometimes or had seen them going there and told him.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Mar 15, 2015 3:49:22 GMT -5
he's so clever he worked it out. No wait...
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Post by gliquey on Mar 15, 2015 4:16:09 GMT -5
I think someone told him about the fire (maybe a VFD person) Maybe an OFD person. Given that there was a massive fire lasting for ages, it would be quite unlikely that the number of bodies was identified before the children were found (but Mr. Poe spoke to them in the morning). So, if it would have been difficult to identify who was in the house at the time of the fire, only someone who (a) had started the fire (b) was in the house shortly before the fire (c) escaped from the fire themselves or (d) knew the kids were planning to go to the beach that day would know that the children weren't there when the fire started. If the first one were true - the starter of the fire contacted Mr. Poe - this probably suggests it was Count Olaf that started the fire, and he told Mr. Poe about it because he needed the orphans to get their fortune. We don't know about anyone who escaped the fire / narrowly missed it that morning, but it's possible that Mr. Poe or someone else knew or thought that the Baudelaires would be at the beach. I think the Baudelaires visited the beach frequently enough for it to be plausible that it was the first place Mr. Poe looked, even if he had only been told they were not in the house when the fire started.
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Post by Dante on Mar 15, 2015 4:39:38 GMT -5
I think the most credible explanation is that neighbours probably saw the Baudelaire children going out, and either they or Mr. Poe knew enough about the children's activities to guess, and quickly corroborate that guess by asking at trolley stations and so on, that the children were headed for Briny Beach.
As to how he knew about the fire, that big a fire in the city would be noticeable from a long way away, and might well have been reported on the radio, for instance. So it was probably not hard for Mr. Poe to notice that a fire was going on in the area where the Baudelaires lived and to make enquiries - he might also have been notified by the authorities, neighbours, friends of the family, and so on.
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Post by Agathological on Jul 22, 2015 17:56:05 GMT -5
To me, the important question is how didn't Beatrice and Betrand escape? They have a mansion, presumably with more than one door that leads outside. They have a passage way to 667 Dark Ave. Heck, they could jump out of a window! The fire took place in the middle of the day (or at least, when they were both awake). How did they not survive? Logically (yes, I know the Snicket-verse doesn't have much of this) there is no way that a fire, whereever started, couldn't have prevented at least one of them to survive.
An explosion, whether by gas main or something else, that I can accept!
(Plus, there is no mention of the funeral, surely they had more immediate relatives to care for them. Uncle Elwin anyone?)
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Post by gliquey on Jul 23, 2015 4:48:50 GMT -5
(or at least, when they were both awake) Could they perhaps have been drugged by the arsonist before the fire started? Or tied up? Or cornered somehow? I agree it's extremely unlikely that they would have died if it was an accident, or if an arsonist had simply started a fire and left.
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Post by Dante on Jul 23, 2015 11:53:28 GMT -5
The very existence of the 667 Dark Avenue passageway and the fact that Esmé married Jerome to control it suggests that it was integral to the fire plan. I would imagine that Bertrand and Beatrice attempted to employ it as their escape route, but it had been secretly locked or blocked to prevent exactly this. Conceivably the fire could have been started in multiple places, to block Beatrice and Bertrand's access to stairs or windows. They might indeed have been tied up or drugged, with the trapdoor secured as a precaution. I think we have to suspect some element of foul play. And if not... they took a nap and got unlucky?
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Jul 25, 2015 2:58:43 GMT -5
haha, taking a nap isnt as dramatic but would make for great fan fiction.
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Post by M David Steel on Sept 15, 2015 16:47:21 GMT -5
quigley, I like your idea. Supposing the arsonist was posing as some sort of businessman who had arranged a meeting in their home. He could have slipped Laudanum in their teas when they weren't looking!
From what has been said, I think it would be pretty difficult to wake up from that or it puts people to sleep for a good amount of time.
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Post by Dante on Sept 16, 2015 2:22:37 GMT -5
A convincing idea, matthewmemories. The BBRE indicates that drinks were circulated in a meeting in the Baudelaire mansion shortly before the fire, so it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that a very sneaky person might be able to spike them.
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Post by M David Steel on Sept 16, 2015 5:19:30 GMT -5
I was wondering about Mr.poe and it doesnt need a thread of its own so I'll just ask here, but where in the series is he called Arthur? i cant remember a first name being used.
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Post by Dante on Sept 16, 2015 6:54:13 GMT -5
...Good question. It's in the U.A. index, at the very least; I don't have time to search anywhere else right now, though.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 16, 2015 7:50:01 GMT -5
Eleonora calls him Arthur in their conversation in TUA.
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Post by indyrams on Nov 10, 2017 20:40:26 GMT -5
Well, since there was a plan to burn the house down and kill the parents (beginning the long quest to steal the fortune from the surviving orphans).
One has to think that they were being watched and spied on that day. Only makes sense that Mr. Poe possibly found out from a source that was watching them. "Oh yes, I passed then on my way to the store, they are at the beach"... Something like that.
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