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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 23, 2017 11:35:43 GMT -5
Ha, it'd be excellent to see him encounter the Baudelaires and not recognise them, as has happened with him and Olaf so many times.
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Post by zinthaniel on Jan 23, 2017 13:01:23 GMT -5
I'm excited to just to move far away from the movie show comparisons. They are everywhere but always ignore that the film is an incomplete and, well, botched adaption of the series. I really just want Netflix to own it and really bring this to life.
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Post by gliquey on Jan 23, 2017 19:09:16 GMT -5
Olaf's Mattathias disguise will be interesting, as its the only time Olaf is totally off-screen in the books (at the end the Baudelaires see his obscured figure in the smoke, so I don't know if that really counts as an appearance). It would be interesting if his disguise is changed in the show to a visible form of some sort. Yes, I do hope they flesh this out a bit. Given that this is a television show and NPH is both a big star and a main character, I think it's quite likely that there are going to be some changes to Olaf's role in THH (similar to how Mr. Poe appears to be getting a bigger role in TVV-TCC). Speaking of THH, I didn't really enjoy how the henchpeople were used in season 1 - they didn't seem to me like they were very distinctive personalities because it was almost always all of them on screen at the same time - but I think THH is an excellent opportunity to give them all a bit of time in the spotlight. I have high hopes for some very amusing scenes with Fernald and the bald man talking to a disguised Klaus and Sunny*, for the white faced women dramatically bursting in to the operating theater to ruin Klaus and Sunny's plans and for the henchperson of indeterminate gender... well, dying. They all get a small but important role in the story, not like (for instance) Netflix's TWW where they just all stand around in the background together doing, at best, a bit of comic relief. *Though they may be rethinking this situation entirely - Sunny dressing up as an adult may be too ridiculous even for ASOUE when we can visibly see she's obviously a baby.
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Post by Dante on Jan 24, 2017 3:33:28 GMT -5
I know I'm not the first to voice this idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if they swap around the Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender and the Bald Man's deaths. The former already has the medical role that translates directly over to THH, while the latter is more suited to physically intimidating sentry duty this time around. The first season already shows that they're not afraid to rearrange primary troupe member appearances, with Nurse Lucafont taking much of Dr. Lucafont's role and the hook-handed man replacing the bald man as Foreman Flacutono.
Edit: I've been putting a little more thought into this. The bald man was the main loser in troupe representation in Season 1, and it's true that in TWW they didn't do much, though I personally enjoyed their role as a chorus; it's a shame they couldn't have found time for a fight with the bald man to steal some boat-related keys in Part 2, as that would have solved both problems. But this does make me think that they'll probably try to compensate with a bigger role for the bald man at some point in Season 2, and as it happens this ties into some of my thoughts on how TEE could be reworked.
It never really made much sense to me that the Baudelaires and Quagmires just stopped their discussion the moment the Baudelaires started climbing up the elevator shaft again, as surely in those conditions their voices would carry quite far; I'd have thought they could have continued to conduct a discussion as the Baudelaires climbed up, and spilled the beans about all their secrets then. Thus I think it requires something to interrupt their discussion and to hurry the Baudelaires out of there. My solution would simply be to put the bald man on guard duty at the bottom of the elevator shaft; the Baudelaires and Quagmires have one quick discussion before the bald man looms out of the darkness, the Quagmires urge the Baudelaires to get out of there, and the Baudelaires scurry back up the rope while the Quagmires are dragged off or something. Similarly, now that the passageways are so much more sprawling, I'd suggest we can do something to solve the problem of the "smuggling" of the Quagmires out of the passageways (forget the city distinction) by having one passageway lead to Veblen Hall, with the bald man visibly guarding it when the Baudelaires get there, clearly implying that this is the route chosen by Olaf; they could also have some kind of full bald man chase scene down there, giving him something to do. This also means that the Baudelaires can't take a direct route, so in lieu of any other, they take the route with their name on it.
I've been thinking of a few other things related to the Quagmires. While Mr. Poe's role as Vice President in Charge of Orphan Affairs perhaps implied differently, the fact that Esmé appears to have burned down the Quagmire mansion suggests to me that they're going with the line that she's the executor of the Quagmire estate. Thus she already controls their fortune, making it unlikely that Olaf kidnapped them for that reason; however, kidnapping them for their fortune could be a red herring motive (also possibly disguising Esmé's conduct), with the actual reason being the more practical one of keeping them from interfering with Olaf's plans for the Baudelaires and revealing some of Olaf's secrets (whatever exactly they may be in this version, since it's not clear what the planned revelation was). I'd also suggest that a reworked motive for Olaf and Esmé's role in TEE could be that Esmé is trying to convince Mr. Poe to transfer the role of management of the Baudelaire estate to her - the Baudelaires' guardian who is an expert on finance becoming the Baudelaires' financial guardian, leaving Mr. Poe more time to worry about orphan affairs - thus providing an actual evil plot for TEE where there otherwise really wasn't one.
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Post by saturnine on Jan 24, 2017 5:17:45 GMT -5
Since they have clearly alluded to Prufrock Prep as a VFD affiliated school in the show already, I expect the Prufrock librarian from TUA to be expanded on similar to how Larry's role was expanded with info from TUA. I think we'll be seeing cuts to the volunteers' subplot, the way we saw Jacquelyn, Gustav, and the 'Mother & Father' couple, OR we'll be getting VFD flashbacks. As much as I loved the slow reveal in the books it works better for the TV show to have the viewers know it's a connected series of events from the start.
I wonder if we'll get any hints about the real principal of the school or if all the attention will be on Nero like in the book. I'm fine with it either way, but since they've beefed up all the VFD connections so far I feel like we might at least see their office or a silhouette or something. I also have a feeling the infamous supercomputer will somehow become more plot relevant since they've incorporated more modern tech into the show.
I assume we'll see more of the henchpeople in Ersatz Elevator and Vile Village for sure. Weren't the two white faced women cafeteria ladies at Prufrock? I'd expect the others to be occupying similar background roles.
I really can't wait to see what they do with Jacques in the Vile Village. His VFD plot might be the one the viewer follows during TAA & TEE so there's more emotional impact when he meets his end in TVV. I expect they'll withhold his last name until then so you still get the shock of one of Lemony's siblings being in the plot.
I think THH and TCC will be changed a lot, similar to how TMM was altered, but I can't really figure out how at this point. They were very atmospheric books, but light on the more complex plotting the TV show is favoring.
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Post by Marmoset on Jan 26, 2017 17:43:46 GMT -5
Caligari Carnival has the potential to be a really impressive set. I'd love to see them design it with an Expressionist flair along the lines of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.
TCC's ending is a literal cliffhanger, of course, but I wonder if they'll still find room for a song. A reprise of That's Not How The Story Goes with lines for Hugo, Colette and Kevin, perhaps? Or something totally new?
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Jan 26, 2017 17:55:18 GMT -5
Caligari Carnival has the potential to be a really impressive set. I'd love to see them design it with an Expressionist flair along the lines of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.
TCC's ending is a literal cliffhanger, of course, but I wonder if they'll still find room for a song. A reprise of That's Not How The Story Goes with lines for Hugo, Colette and Kevin, perhaps? Or something totally new? Handler hinted that they were doing something like that for the finale (song-wise).
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Post by Timmixxa on Jan 26, 2017 18:01:43 GMT -5
Maybe something disaster-related, as Violet and Klaus literally are in a disaster. It is really hard to do a song while in a moving car about to fall of a mountain.
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Post by Marmoset on Jan 26, 2017 18:17:34 GMT -5
Handler hinted that they were doing something like that for the finale (song-wise). Hooray! Loved the last song. More songs can only be a good thing. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Mrs. Poe more often next season as well. She should take over Geraldine Julienne's role; I don't think there's anything Geraldine as an individual character could bring to the table at this point to be honest.
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Jan 26, 2017 18:51:35 GMT -5
wouldn't be surprised if we saw Mrs. Poe more often next season as well.She should take over Geraldine Julienne's role; I don't think there's anything Geraldine as an individual character could bring to the table at this point to be honest. I would love to see them working as a team! That'd be a fun pairing.
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Post by Marmoset on Jan 26, 2017 20:12:34 GMT -5
I would love to see them working as a team! That'd be a fun pairing. I hadn't thought of this but now that you mention it, it could be! There's a telegram in the Unauthorised Autobiography implying Eleanora has been locked in a basement by Geraldine on Esme's suggestion some time after TVV - they could easily work that into a subplot.
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Post by theplague on Jan 26, 2017 21:51:50 GMT -5
In the Unfortunate Associates podcast with Daniel Handler, he implies that we'll see more of Mrs. Bass in season 2, after someone asks about her bank robbery.
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Post by Dante on Jan 30, 2017 17:51:34 GMT -5
This new interview mentions a couple of things in regards to Season 2, one of which sounds like it must have been expanded significantly:
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Post by ironic impostor on Jan 30, 2017 18:23:19 GMT -5
Mention of Cafe Salmonella has me so happy!
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Jan 31, 2017 14:18:46 GMT -5
TCC's ending is a literal cliffhanger, of course, but I wonder if they'll still find room for a song. A reprise of That's Not How The Story Goes with lines for Hugo, Colette and Kevin, perhaps? Or something totally new? I think the intense circumstances could provide some humour to an emotional song, quite like the tone of How Do You Slow This Thing Down? by the Gothic Archies. In fact, it might be appropriate to sing that very song.
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