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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Apr 3, 2018 19:33:05 GMT -5
the show needs to make emotional moments "hit harder". the entire thing has had this air of "well, whatever" behind the emotions, and no amount of funny quips or little references will cover it up (although they are appreciated). someone needs to get better at actually making people care enough. the timing, pacing, and shot direction match with the rest of the humorous and expositional parts, but it doesn't mesh well with more serious scenes. I agree with this quite a lot, although it was especially when watching the TEE episodes that made me feel this way.
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Post by zinthaniel on Apr 4, 2018 10:20:08 GMT -5
What accent is Coach Genghis doing? Southern American accent It's actually a mid-western accent fashioned to be similar to that of Dr. Phils.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 4, 2018 11:44:10 GMT -5
Immediate thoughts on part 1:
When Carmelita asked for a tip, did it occur to anyone that the Baudelaires might recommend she read Matilda?
Intrigued by the ATWQ references - both Feint (but one might have thought that the school was founded by Prufrock), and 'the book that answers the question which burns like fire in your heart'.
Daniel is in Mrs Bass's class! What Daniel can that be, I wonder? Though that implies an even bigger age difference between him and Lemony than I had previously imagined.
EDIT; 'Tamerlane' is a poem by Edgar Allen Poe. It's about the same person as the Marlowe play 'Tamburlane', just spelt differently (and historians now normally call him Timur).
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Post by Grace on Apr 4, 2018 15:06:37 GMT -5
EDIT; 'Tamerlane' is a poem by Edgar Allen Poe. It's about the same person as the Marlowe play 'Tamburlane', just spelt differently (and historians now normally call him Timur). Nice. Like how could it not be a literary reference.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 4, 2018 18:32:24 GMT -5
I didn't expect Olaf to do a southern accent for Coach Genghis. But I liked it.
I was really hoping for Stephen Tobolowsky to play Nero, but Roger Bart won me over.
Carmelita looked exactly how I imagined her.
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Post by Noe on Apr 5, 2018 16:31:36 GMT -5
It's actually a mid-western accent fashioned to be similar to that of Dr. Phils. I'm from the midwest and nobody talks like that. Dr. Phil grew up in Texas, which is south enough to get that accent in the United States.
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Post by doetwin on Apr 12, 2018 16:55:58 GMT -5
The Cons:
*There's a gaping continuity error concerning the Quagmires. In Season 1, it was made pretty clear that their mansion burned down during the Baudelaires' last night at LLM. It's never explicitly stated how much time passed between the Poes picking them up from LLM and Mr. Poe dropping them off at PP, but I felt quite sure that it happened on the same day. This is because, as Mr. Poe was driving them to the school, he was giving the Baudelaires some fresh updates and the Baudelaires were still wearing their life-jackets. If they had spent even one night at the Poe house, I can't imagine why they wouldn't have changed into normal clothes. However, despite all the strong evidence that the Baudelaires arrived at PP the day after the Quagmire mansion burned down, there are suddenly all these blatant references to them having having been at PP much longer, such as having lived in the orphans' shack and knowing Carmelita Spats. They even made a reference to having had a guardian between the fire and living at PP.
*It seems like it was Violet's idea for the Quagmires to disguise themselves as her and her siblings. This makes Violet seem somewhat selfish and entitled, as she actually asked her friends to risk their lives for them, and it robs the Quagmires of an opportunity to show how truly loyal, brave, and kind they are by voluntarily reaching out to the Baudelaires.
*Nero softening up and being all complimentary towards the Baudelaires upon acing their comprehensive exams is a change that I found particularly irritating. He wasn't supposed to be a concerned teacher who wanted his students to learn as much as possible. In the book, he wanted the Baudelaires to fail so that he could have a legitimate reason to expel them. He was supposed to be furious at them for acing their exams, but he was delighted. And seeing as how Coach Genghis was in the room, I don't understand why he didn't call the Baudelaires out on skipping S.O.R.E., as he had already captured the Quagmires and knew the plan.
The Pros:
*A lot of us were wondering how the Quagmires got out of the orphans' shack in the book. Having Nero explain the it was only the newest orphans who had to live in the orphans' shack, while the shack's current residents would get promoted to a broom-cupboard, was, I felt, quite a satisfying explanation. I'll admit that I just assumed that the Quagmires were living in the dormitory during the Baudelaires' stay, but having them in a broom cupboard is much more consistent with Nero's cruelty.
*In the book, while I was amazed that an extremely sleep-deprived Klaus was able to read the Quagmires' notebooks in preparation for his and Violet's comprehensive exams without his glasses, I felt like it was rather inconsistent with the events of TMM. When his glasses broke in TMM, he could scarcely make out his surroundings. In-fact, his vision was so impaired that the 2nd time he broke his glasses, he was willing to risk getting re-hyptonized just to get a new pair. It makes absolutely no sense that someone whose vision was this bad without glasses would be able to read, particularly with eyes that they hadn't closed for nine consecutive nights. This is why I'm glad that they had Sunny make Duncan a fake pair of glasses so that Klaus could use his own to study.
*During the first couple of times I read TAA, I always got frustrated with Duncan for leaving the bag of flour behind when S.O.R.E. ended. During later read-throughs, I considered that maybe Duncan tried to take the bag of flour with him, but that the strin broke. Netflix showed that the latter was the case, which I whole-heartedly approve of, as this means that it wasn't Duncan's fault at all that his and his sister's disguises were given away.
*In the book, it's implied that the Quagmires discovered VFD between heading out of the orphans' shack for S.O.R.E and being kidnapped by the white-faced women. I never understood when the Quagmires would have had time to research that information, as they were forced to work in the cafeteria under the supervision of his white-faced women right after S.O.R.E. was over. Having the Quagmires' disguises being given away earlier in the session, forcing them to escape and research while in the library, was, I thought, a clever way to resolve this plot-hole.
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Post by Dante on Apr 15, 2018 3:55:48 GMT -5
The chronological error with the Quagmires is vexing, and I can only assume represents altered plans, given that the Season 1 Quagmire subplot looks so carefully-orchestrated to synchronise everyone's arrival at Prufrock Prep. that some took it for granted that it would represent a change to the original narrative. It's particularly annoying given that an almost identical continuity error was introduced in the original books, too; and in most cases the Netflix series has been a lot better at resolving such errors (see also the broom cupboard explanation, which I too approved of). Yet another reason to dislike that particular Season 1 subplot, then.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 15, 2018 5:48:06 GMT -5
One could argue that the Quagmire mansion's destruction didn't necessarily happen as the episode's editing would lead us to believe, which would be when Charles was tied to the log. The last time we saw the Quagmire parents and the Baudelaires together was at Lake Lachrymose, so hypothetically, the parents could have had their fight on the road the day the Baudelaires arrived at the lumber mill, then the mansion burnt down during the Baudelaires' first night at the mill. We were just shown the mansion burning later on in the episode for dramatic effect. I don't find this hard to believe- it's probably unlikely that the yellow doors of the mansion and the yellow doors at the mill were opened on the same second. This leaves about two and a half days, which isn't much, but still time for a book's worth of content to unfold for the Quagmire orphans.
Alternatively or additionally, a few days could have passed between leaving the mill and arriving at the school. After all, the Baudelaires left all their other clothes in Lachrymose and didn't have anything else of their own to wear. Mr. Poe might not have spoken to them about the school yet because he'd been busy arranging it at the bank.
Maybe the writers did just overlook this but it doesn't feel like a huge plot hole that the Quagmires might have had a temporary guardianship and then a night or more in the shack.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Apr 15, 2018 9:00:16 GMT -5
Currently have no butts but i'm catching up
Episode 2 comments :
- Carmelita is better at being annoying this time around - Coach Genghis is by far the best disguise we've had so far - The quagmires work very well... everything seems to work pretty well with this episode. Mr Remora and Mrs. Bass are fun - The arm wrestling is pretty cool. - Cake sniffing!! - Larry and Jacquelyn can potato off - The episode just stopped like they forgot the last 5 minutes.
8/10, giving TAA 7.75/10, putting it firmly in the middle of my rankings so far.
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Post by verballyfundaffodil on Jun 25, 2018 20:47:57 GMT -5
(I'm honestly pretty lost right now as there are 43 pages worth of threads in this section, so, if I am in the wrong place, please redirect me) First off, Season 2 was phenomenal. The acting, the new subplots, and the recreation of stories from my childhood were amazing, but I also appreciated all of the easter eggs and references made, like... AA1 2:39- The Pony Party book cover is in the style of the ASOUE books 4:04- Nero is playing That's Not How The Story Goes on his violin 4:09- Violet: "I feel like we've been sitting on this bench for months." Klaus: "We've been waiting so long, Sunny's starting to look less like a baby and more like a toddler." 4:30- When Carmelita introduces herself, Nero plays the tune of Carmelita's favorite song line ("and my name is Carmelita!") 5:06- Duncan: "I feel like we've been sitting on this bench for months." (Also Duncan is farther to the left than he was in MM2) 6:25- Larry: "I prefer scuba diving in the off-season." (Another 4th wall break) 6:43- The name "Spats" is on a sign in the VFD tunnels 19:35- The library has a Lucky Smells Lumbermill book 27:35- The apples taste like horseradish 37:36- Olaf has Carmelita say, "Victoriously Final Days" 38:09- Larry pronounces "Department" the way the word "Denouement" is pronounced 40:29- Jacquelyn: "Are you in the mountains? We're not due there until the end of the season." (Reference to the Mortmain HQ and 4th wall break)
AA2 9:54- Count Olaf uses the phrase, "batch of episodes" (4th wall) 27:49- Jacques is whistling That's Not How The Story Goes 33:58- When studying, Klaus asks Violet, "What color were the cows on the dairy farm?" (Valorous Farms Dairy?) 34:12- (In An Incomplete History of Secret Organizations) There is a page about starting fires with the divergence and refraction of light principle, and Josephine Anwhistle appears to be on the page. (The principle is also believed to be how the Baudelaire fire started.) 40:37- Mr. Remora had a story about donkeys (Vineyard's Famous Donkeys) 42:44- Lemony says that sometimes one must excuse themselves "to a place where the world is quiet. Like a crystal ball ready for anyone who has an important question." 49:26- Isadora's v.o. doesn't match her lips (this is a mistake, not an easter egg, but it may have just been the internet on my end)
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Post by Dante on Jun 26, 2018 3:14:08 GMT -5
(I'm honestly pretty lost right now as there are 43 pages worth of threads in this section, so, if I am in the wrong place, please redirect me) Looking back, only the most recent seven pages relate to the Netflix series, and everything before that is associated with the movie... but you don't really need to worry about anything that isn't on the front page and near the top, if we're honest.
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Post by colette on Jul 10, 2018 3:24:26 GMT -5
Cons: - Carmelita being a cheerleader. I really dislike this mageey cheerleader stereotype. - Olivia as a character.
Pros: - Ponie Party - Olaf's jokes about Baudelaire parents' death - Judaism - Olaf asking Fernald if he ever told him his name - NERO!!!
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