vfds321s
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O and T
Dec 12, 2018 18:53:16 GMT -5
Post by vfds321s on Dec 12, 2018 18:53:16 GMT -5
If O means Olaf, then what does T (which he wanted to be referred to as once) stand for?
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 4:52:31 GMT -5
Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2018 4:52:31 GMT -5
Almost certainly an otherwise unused instance of one of his many pseudonyms; consider also page 123 of the U.A., where Jacques alludes to "O, though currently he prefers S". It's also possible that the T could be a dropped plot point, of course.
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 7:55:45 GMT -5
Post by Uncle Algernon on Dec 13, 2018 7:55:45 GMT -5
I've seen some speculation that it's for The Count, but that seems to be stretching out. So yeah, probably another outrageous alias. There's no reason to think he only started his trend of disguises when he started chasing the Baudelaires around.
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 8:12:42 GMT -5
Post by Foxy on Dec 13, 2018 8:12:42 GMT -5
Esme popped into this scene as well. Esme being there would suggest this scene took place in most likely around the seventh book, maybe the eighth, as Esme joined Olaf in the 6th book. In this case, T could be Detective Dupin's first name (which we don't know) or Mattathias's last name (which we also don't know.)
I also wanted to point out that if I am not mistaken, there is only one time when Count Olaf's alias is given a first and last name - Julio Sham.
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 8:24:01 GMT -5
Post by Uncle Algernon on Dec 13, 2018 8:24:01 GMT -5
In this case, T could be Detective Dupin's first name (which we don't know) or Mattathias's last name (which we also don't know.) Nicely observed. I think I'll pick the former (because I want to keep the Netflix series' Mattathias Medichalschool) and say it's Terry; if asked, it's short for Terrific, or perhaps Terrifying, he's not altogether made up his mind. It scarcely matters, anyway, because the Village has a law about asking anyone what their first name is so nobody ever asks.
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 9:05:40 GMT -5
Post by Hermes on Dec 13, 2018 9:05:40 GMT -5
Where does this come from?
(Regarding S, that probably stands for Shirley, since that episode of TUA clearly recalls TMM - it doesn't fir the events of TMM perfectly, but that's TUA for you.)
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vfds321s
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 9:56:52 GMT -5
Post by vfds321s on Dec 13, 2018 9:56:52 GMT -5
Where does this come from? (Regarding S, that probably stands for Shirley, since that episode of TUA clearly recalls TMM - it doesn't fir the events of TMM perfectly, but that's TUA for you.) S is also for Stephano
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O and T
Dec 13, 2018 16:46:05 GMT -5
Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2018 16:46:05 GMT -5
To be clear, the allusion we're discussing is in the U.A.'s Building Committee transcript, which is generally interpreted as taking places long before the beginning of ASoUE. Esmé and Olaf's relationship goes back a long time; he used to be her acting teacher, remember.
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O and T
Dec 14, 2018 7:34:20 GMT -5
Post by Foxy on Dec 14, 2018 7:34:20 GMT -5
Esmé and Olaf's relationship goes back a long time; he used to be her acting teacher, remember. I do remember this. For some reason, I was of the mindset that the two would not have been cohorts until the sixth book, but really it makes more sense for Esmé to join Olaf in TEE if they had already been partners in crime before this point - it gives more substance to their relationship. I also overlooked Jacques appearing to still be alive in the meeting, which would also mean it took place earlier than TVV. And Lemony was in this, which would suggest it being earlier than the Baudelaire parents being married, because everyone thought he was dead, which is why I am theorizing Beatrice moved on and married Bertrand. Plus L asks a question which suggests he is very new to the organization. So Olaf is perhaps a child in this meeting? Maybe T stands for Tyrannosaurus. Kids are into dinosaurs, right? Joking! T could literally stand for anything.
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