Seriosuly, you'd think that after 8 months she'd have matured or at least changed a little bit. If she came back, she wouldn't be admin, and if she'd just appologize, the hate would stop.
Hey, tri, did you tell her that if she came back and appologized for the way she acted, we'd be willing to put it all behind us and stop retailiating?
All jokes and humor aside, I personally, am willing to leave it behind. I'm hoping if we told we'd leave it behind and try to make things the way the were before, she'd be willing to appologize. We could appologize for the hate threads
even though she deserved them and she could appologize for provoking them. That's what I'd like to do. Can someone tell her this, please? I can't contact but I just want to know that I, as well as well as others who posted, can talk this out with her and throw off the grudge. All she would have to do is appologize in return for our appologees, and we could all be willing to throw this away, and continue with our lives. I believe that nay conflict can be repaired.
ADR, if you ever might get to read this, I'm willing to admit that we, not just you, made some mistakes all those months ago. We did attack you for more than the necessary reasons, however numerous the reasons might have been. We shouldn't have bashed you for the abuse of smilies. We use smilies oursleves. I think we we attacked you for that was becuase you were supposed to be the admin of the forum, and were supposed to be handling things seriously, like Tragedy did, instead of rolling your eyes all the time.
We never had hard feelings agsainst you. Maybe we went a little far on the hate threads, but you're actions weren't going to stop them. What we forgot when you became admin was that you were a different person than Tragedy, but we remembered that you seemed like a friendly person beforehand. We were a bit apprehensive of getting a new admin after more than 4 years. Even though you became admin in October 4 days before I built the account, I had been lurking online since March of the same year and I've explored a lot of the threads. I came to know most of the members, new and old, departed, current, and arriving. I never got the nerve to create an account until September (called Captain Spam) and I got scared and deleted it. I missed the part where you became adming becuase my parents forbade me to come onto the site between the day we got The End on it's release date) and when we finished it. It was October 18th, and I'd seen you were a new admin. In a way, I could realate, being a new member and someone hardly anyone knew about. I had worked up the courage to join after seven months of lurking and asking if I should join myself. I was quite a fan of the series, and I figured I could just talk about it in the BBooks sections, which were fire when I was a lurker. I wanted to be one of the cool members in MM, but I worried I'd be cast out as a really cool member. Most of the people, like Dupin, PJ, swans, DarkSpiral (now calling herself Fits of Print, and not really participating as much as she used to), Sapphire (personal note: i miss her, i only ever saw her online as a lurker but she and I had a lot in common, and she was a funny member, hell she was the creator of my then favorite thread, "Things that the ASOUE characters would never say), Shelly, Setnick (now Shruti) and Lindha Rhaldeen seemed like nice people. But other members, particualrly the cool ones frightened me, BSam (not so much intimidating rather than I just found him annoying), Kate and Ann (if you thought we were mean to you with a few mild insults being bad enough for a strike, you were really lucky that these two had left, they're back now, but they seem much less rude, even the swearing and the attitude is still there), twistedbrain (she was really rude to new people who didn't know the rules very well, IMO) jacktripper (he was the biggestest ***hole here), J (she was really difficult and made many inapropriate threads), and Robert (He scared me too much, he so horrible to everyone). Again, when I joined I was brave enough to try to handle what could happen to me.
I'm telling telling you about these personal feelings becuase I could relate to you. We were both fairly new, albeit with different possitions. I hadn't been allowed online so I missed the contest and your adminship. I would have liked to have been generous and helped you, but I wanted some answers as to why Tragedy was gone. When I made that thread, the way you were speaking to people was really rude and immature. I was wondering why you were admin. You did not have to be so rude. I took it though, deciding that since you were knew, you wetre probably stressed. But then I looked at some of you other threads. Practically everytime someone pointed out something to you, you would accuse them of whining. They were not whining. Their reasons for telling you this was not out of want and greed, but because you were the admin now. As the admin, it was your responsibility to be up to date on the way things have worked. It was your responisinilty not just to hold order but to solve conflicts too. Tragedy had to deal with this a lot.
I was a little bothered, but I did wish to be constructive, but you were the admin and I didn't want to be blown off. But in that "Choose the new Detestable Deputy thread", almost as soon as everyone pointed out the ways that choosing g-mods worked, you said some of the rudest most immature and shallow things to us. Not all of us wanted to take advantage of you, like you accused. The only one I can think of was J, becuase she figured, correctly, that you didn't know much of the people here or the way things have worked. Not to fling accusations, really, she asked Tragedy all the time and everytime an application came up, but he would always refuse because of her off-color postings and grudges. And she had also been banned twice. I'm not bashing her, she was fine until after you left, and this was becuase you were trying to take all disciplinary responsibilities to yourself. The moderators couldn't even joke around with other members without you threating to fire them. Yes, a
part of the admins job is to make sure there is order and stop any rule-breaking or misbehaviour. But this is not the whole job. I'll get to that later. MOst of the people thought that J would do well, although some did have to point out her past behavior and then the regulations for moderatorship. The complaints were unoften and were "wait, this isn't how it works, moderator's can't just get that title just by asking". You ignored them, and told them to stop whining. They weren't whining, they were pointing out that 667 and most probaoards and real-life companies in fact will not just give powers just becuase they ask you. You would first have to check their record as a member, and then examine thier responsibility skills. Having a posistion as a moderator and as admin, really, is more than just a gift or treat. It is a big responsibility, and you have to take the good with the bad. No one can have complete control over a large forum with over 5000 members, especially if there are not only sections and boards where their are moderators, but their is also a divide in administative authority over the whole forum between a few g-mods. swans had left by the time you came, and Derik got himself banned. It seems you do know what g-mods are, and I exalt you for that. But you didn't know how to elect them. Being a Detesable Deputy is, again, a big responsibility, and you know the people that won't abuse the wide range of power that comes with it. Since there's usually another Deputy as well the admin, electing one shouldn't be to difficult, but it shouldn't fall under a poll. ANyone can answer the poll questions, including some people who do not care about responsibility that much. That's why people where asking you and really only suggesting that you try an application thread in FFeedback for the volunteers. Their reasons were not because they couldn't handle change, it was becuase it was a more reliable way of sorting out the ones who would be good g-mods from the ones who wouldn't. In application threads, people tell you how long they've been on the site, how many warnings/strikes that they have, and if they posses any leadership skills from real-life experiences, as well as the knowledge of things work around here. When you made the poll, we were just trying to warn you of the consequinces. I did not know how it worked, but the applications sounder more realiable. You just told someone to "stop making it look like your the victim becuase your not." The poster was only pointing out they things had worked for a long time, and how much safer the were. Three other members discussed the reason for the upsetting. In reality, I don't think that's what frusterated anyone. It was your reaction to the suggestions that made everyone pissed off. We were not inflexible. We were just concerned for our forum. That's what they were saying, very few were insulting you in that thread before you blew up. Shruti was the only who was directly berating you, and that' becuase you were discarding our opinions like they meant nothing, and in a snotty attitude. This site is fairly Democratic, considering the mods and g-mods. We would not have been making hate threads if you would respect our opinions and listen to our suggestions. I was not happy with you, but I wanted to give you some contructive criticism. I was just going to tell you that they weren't whining, they were making suggestions and pointing out some rules you overlooked. They were not demanding undue repsect or favors from you. But then you made that nasty long post, "Okay, that's it
let's just face the TRUTH here, you guys will always complain becuase nothing I ever do pleases or will ever please you....but then, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, wahhh wahh ADR you need to do applications this is so unfair. You will never be happy with what I do so just FORGET IT...PULEAAASE ::)you all gang up on me in the forums but when you PM me you act all nice to me so that I will make you a MODERATOR OR SOMETHING, you greedy doublecrossing BACKSTABBERS...you just want to have your own way like some babies or something! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!" I lost all deisre to be nice and figured that you need a stern talking to. I release now that some of the stuff I said in my post may have been harsh, but you had aggrivated me as much as everyone else. I was foolish to think this would wake you up, as it was much more critical than anything else appearing in the forum. ANd you blew me off, as expected.
I never saw much else after OCtober, becuase of my accidental two month IP ban. But when I returned, you were gone, and read some other things. You were still being rude to people, and they were getting tired of it, and asserting their free speech by the hate threads they made. I'm an not saying that they didn't go to far sometimes. I thought it was silly that they were bashing you for using smilies so often. In reality, it was porbably only rolleyes becuase you used so often against. They did not have the right to say they never used it, but they did have the right to complain. WHen they used it, it was usually meant as a kind form teasing or a joke. You were using it in an, "oh, you don't know anything" type iod way. ANd that's what got people complaining. But, them bashing you for every smilie was totally unecessary.
Some of them were needlessly rude, such as RObert calling you a "c***burger" in big font letters, and twistedbrain going spaztic and then leaving. We made some mistakes to. We acted a bit rude for unessecary reasons.
I am on nobody's side. I'm trying to be a neutral as possible, but those hate threads didn't start the moment you became admin. They started about two weeks afterward. You had called people whiners and had accused them of just wanting the temporary GGreeting mod position instead of Tirangle Eyes. We were telling you to not make it permanant. We had good reasons to object to this, becuase it sounded like you were going to remove SnicketFace from power. SHe was grounded, so this would have been unfair. I do support your backup idea for a temporary mod, as Triange Eyes was good at welcoming newcomers and newbies need some explainations. That was a good decision. Not all you decisions were bad. PEople were aggrivated by the way you treated them, so they only noticed the bad. I did too, but making this thread, I released you were not all bad. SUre, I don't like you getting rid of non-posting moderators, seeing as your definition of "non-posting" was not posting 15 times a day. Even moderators are going to have inconviences where they can't come online. I didn't know where swans was, but I think she might just been spening a few months as a lurker after all nowadys. The power removals, even though not very well or openmindedly thought out, were not all bad either. Woe and Misery had left for undiscolsed reasons. Seeing as Misery hadn't loggen in since the Anniversay(2006) and Woe hadn't since shortly before I started lurking, it made sense to remove their powers and only fair to let someone else hjave a chance. they're still not back, I don't think they ever will be, so this was a good decision.
Your decisions were not the primary factor for the hate threads. The decisions just showed that you did not seem to know much how the forum worked. This wasn't a bad thing. Well, okay, it WAS a bad thing, but it did make you a bad person or cause the hate threads. It was when we were telling you that you were making mistakes and make suggestions on how to fix them, you'd call us whiners and be rude and immature with us. As the admin, it was your responsibility to up to date on how things where working. This was when we were just starting, and we were hardly rude. We knew you were a new admin and might take some times getting used. But you should listen to suggestions. If you had respected our opinions and views on the issue, we would not have buiilt the hate threads. You were rude to us when we tried to point out how things worked around here, you were snippy in my thread asking where Tragedy had gone (some people were returning members and not just lurkers like me who fianlly got an account, you'd have to expect some confusion), you were rude to us in the g-mod thread, and were rude until New Years when Tragedy returned.
Again, I'm not saying that we're all innocent bystanders. The hate threads did go far, it was rude of SnicketFace to call you an imbecile just becuase you didn't know who Derik. But they had reasons for it. As the admin, and having been here for 2 and 3/4 years, it was quite important that you knew who your staff members and moderators were. People were annoyed that you didn't know some of the more prominint posters despite being here for so long. It was justifiable for them to be annoyed because the admin NEEDS to know these things. But they did go a bit far and day some mean things they shouldn't of. Seeing as you didn't post in MMisc. or FFeedback much, were a lot of stuff transpired, and more or less stayed inside BBooks, it makes sense you didn't have this information. It wasn't your fault. You didn't know about the prize to that board question anymore than we did, and it was wrong of us to insult you for that, no matter how aggrivating you could be to us.
But just hear me. The hate threads were provoked becuase you your reactions and attitude toward those making suggestions. Eventually, they did get needless, and I don't mind admitting that, but you just have to realize this one thing. Before they got needless, the inicinal hate threads were basically the 667ers saying, "what goes around comes around." We are not monsters or brats or babies or whiners. We acted on normal instinct to tell you about your mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, ADR. Nobody likes admitting them, but it's the right thing to do. You learn from them. We could have avoided the whole dogfight of later weeks if you been respectful towards us. Hell, you might still be admin, as you would gotten much more approval if you had been more mature, and had thought about our suggestions and taken our mistake pointing as a way to become more aware, responsible, and less likely to make mistakes in the future, instead of calling us whiners and ignoring what simply started as helpful suggestions.
It wasn't your decisions that bought all the hate and rudeness on you, like you may think. It was your attitude and the way you treated people. You just have to understand the basic rule of society. Be nice and considering, and you'll get treated with respect, be rude, narrowminded, and immature, respect is the last thing that will be coming your way.
I don't think your a bad person in general. You just didn't seem fit for adminship. I'm not insulting you. I feel sorry for you. You didn't ask to become admin, it was given to you in that contest. It was not something that should have rewarded the prize of admin, becuase anyone could play, and anyone could win, including those without administrative exprience or stress tolerance. I understand you were stressed, but you shouldn't have acted the way you did. I doubt you always like this. IN fact, I looked in some old threads in the archives and in MM, which is what i do when I'm bored. You seemed like a very nice and much cooler person before adminhood. You just weren't a well known member, nor did you have the tools and tolerance and this isn't your fault. Stress can make any nice person a bit snippy, although you went rather above an beyond. But you aren't admin anymore. You don't have to be. And since your not admin, you don't have to prove anything to us anymore. If you came back, you just be a normal member.
We are openminded people. Most of us believe that anyone is deserving of a second chance. Darksprial (Fits of Print)stopped acting snotty and became much better respected. Robert changed so much from being banned. He has stopped being rude and mean, and has even helped other 667ers through hard periods and has contriubted more than anyone else. He's much friendlier now.
In a way, you actually did some improvements, if they did not take hold until after you left. Many members bettered themselves, and 667 became a much nicer place. Many once strict moderators are more laid-back, but still doing thier jobs, and you were a part of it. You made cool members and new members get closer. You weren't all bad. You could have been way worse.
All in all, I believe you are a nice girl at heart. We are willing to accept you if you do come back and appologize. We are willing to admit our mistakes. I have myself. You deserve a second chance. We will put it all behind us and all we ask in return is that you admit to your mistakes as we are to ours. It can all go back to the way it was before. This is not an impossible request. It has been 8 months since you left, and we have healed and ready for forgiveness and forgetting. All that needs to happen now is that you do the same and yet another conflict will be repaired and and another grude ended. I believe strongly that this is the right thing to do. The power of forgiveness is what makes this world go round. We'll fogive you and appologize, and you can do the same for us. It's not hard. It well make our situation between you and us much better.
That's all I have to say, ADR. WHat do you?
WHew, this took me four and a half hours to write. I learned while writing this. I'm utterly sincere with this letter. I learned that ADR is deserving of a second chance.