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Post by Pester on Nov 9, 2003 0:58:24 GMT -5
That's a very good point. I've never thought of that before.
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Post by Pester on Nov 9, 2003 0:59:02 GMT -5
An original thought is ver refreshing.
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Post by Kobolos on Nov 9, 2003 8:05:11 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true, Goblin. I've had lots of people come to my door saying lots of different things and I would only call the cops if they didn't leave when I told them to go. You have had door to door Pagans? Door to door Buddah buddies? the only door to door "salesmen" I've seen were Witnesses or Mormons. The tracts shouldn't be placed in a drug store unless they had permission. We should abide by the laws but as for the presentation of Christianity there really isn't much you can change, unless you want to edit the bible. there is specifically a "No solicitation" posting on the door of most businesses. These "Chick"ens should be caught in the act and fined. And there is another thread to be made about editing the Bible hun. King James being one of the biggest offenders. There are different tatics yes but that is what Christians believe, and most people don't like it because usually they feel as if they don't really have a choice. But if you don't believe in Christianity then I don't see why people have to gripe about it-- if you don't believe in hell then what's the big deal? I really don't know a lot about other religions though to be truthful I've had Pagans yell crap at me. I don't know exactly what Paganism is and I've seen it presented in the way those tracts presented it, and then I've heard it is all about "nature" and nothing at all to do with worshipping Satan. But I have been told what I believe is a lie and Satan is going to triumph over everyone, and He is the master. That believing in Satan is the only way.. so maybe you should start handing out tracts and going door to door in order to clear up misconceptions. Swan, I'm not exactly sure who was spouting off about Satan, but belief in the Christian devil is best left to the Christians. Even "Satanism" presented by Anton La Vey is about the individual and less about worshipping a red guy with a flaming high rise. But I'm not into Satanism, Most Pagans are too frightened of persecution to even come out of the broom closet, let alone go door to door (or shout crap at you). And we have a right to be. the US president has said that the Wiccan Religion would not be included in his grand "Faith based" initiative because It is not a religion Jerry Faldwell comes on TV and blames Pagans (among others) for 9/11 and you *wonder* why we are so nervous? I don't think any way is the "one way" it's mixing up the stream that leads to the ocean for the ocean itself. My own Governor Mike Johanns once said this: On 1999-MAY-6, he signed a proclamation officially recognizing March for Jesus Day Reporters asked Governor Johanns whether he would sign a proclamation for a religion other than Christianity. He replied: "I wouldn't hesitate to sign a proclamation for the Jewish faith, Hinduism, whatever....so long as it doesn't require me to sign something I personally don't agree with." Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA-7) has been a United States Attorney, and currently serves on the House Judiciary, Government Reform and Banking committees. He was offended that the U.S. army extended equal religious freedom to all soldiers on the Fort Hood, TX, army base, including Wiccans. He attempted to pressure the army into terminating religious freedoms for Wiccans on all army bases. 1986: Senator Jesse Helms (R, NC): introduced an amendment to a bill which would have removed tax exempt status from existing Wiccan groups and prevent any new groups from being recognized by the Federal government. The amendment passed without opposition, but was later removed by the Congressional Joint Conference Committee Goddess Bless America.
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Post by Pester, Rumormonger on Nov 9, 2003 17:39:18 GMT -5
Back to the chicktracks, there is a parody of it at the bottom of this page www.pvponline.com/rants_jesus.php3 and above it an explanation about why it no longer resides with the rest of the comics and why he probably shouldn't have written it in the first place.
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Post by Kobolos on Nov 10, 2003 8:08:03 GMT -5
Swanny if I made the editing thread, it would get nasty and I'm not up for a fight. Not necessarily with you, but SOMEONE would be offended. It's not worth the effort. I'm not trying to "shake" you from your faith, I'm happy you're well grounded in it. You know, my mom is about the coolest Christian I know...she gets the religion for what it is without going over the deep end, it's just that percent of idiots that give the rest of you a bad name. I just wish more Christians would let people alone, and let us think for ourselves. With that said, the topic is tracts, so here is some other views on it: www.aquatabch.org/afwe/antitracts.shtml You may agree or disagree, but it is thought provoking (which is always a good thing) "The Other People" members.tripod.com/monsterwax/chickparody.html The Jack Chick parody wing
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Post by Luigi on Nov 10, 2003 16:35:06 GMT -5
*jumps up and down* Me made antitract! Me made antitract! With my infinite art skills, I present to you... "I'm Probably Going To Burn For This." Click the links. Part 1: clickPart 2: clickEDIT: Sorry, J, it just irks me when the page is stretched out. The links still work though (:
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Post by Kobolos on Nov 13, 2003 18:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by Fancy on Nov 13, 2003 20:41:55 GMT -5
Muah. I've been there quite a bit. Find the Lord of the Rings article v. interesting.
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Post by Brian on Nov 16, 2003 16:38:19 GMT -5
These people, if they are really saved, will get like ZERO rewards in heaven, for seriously clouding people's view of what God is really like. Nobody knows what God is really like, or if there even is a God, or how many, or whatever. That is why this Chick tract sickens me.
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Post by Luigi on Nov 18, 2003 20:05:57 GMT -5
I [half-believe] in a G-d, but I do not believe in any religion. We are not meant to know G-d...not in this lifetime, at least. It's pathetic to try.
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Post by CactusWren on Nov 23, 2003 3:40:24 GMT -5
Can someone post the lyrics to Diary of an Unborn Child? Here goes. Most of it is prose, the lyric part comes near the end. Brace yourself. (Delicate electronic-keyboard music begins) (Voice, a grown man talking in a squeaky falsetto and in baby talk:) October 2nd. Today, my life began! My pawents do not know it yet. I am as small as the pollen of a flower. But it is I already. I will be a boy! I will have blond hair and blue eyes. Nearly everything is settled already. (Note: Except whether you'll be anatomically a boy or a girl, or twins, or triplets, or a hydatidiform mole {basically a placenta with no embryo or fetus attached}, or whether you and a possible fraternal twin -- brother or sister -- will blend your cells together to make a genetic mosaic individual, one person with two separate genetic patterns. But I digress.)October 19th. I have gwown a little but I am still too small to do anything by mysewf. My mother does everything for me, although she still does not know that she is cawwying me under her heart. But I am a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. My muvvoo exists, and I do too. October 23rd. My mouth is just now beginning to open. Just think. In a year or so I'll be laughing, or later I'll start to talk. My first word will be (pathetic bleat:) "Mama". October 25th. Today my heart began to beat. It will beat softly for the rest of my life, never stopping. (Cheerful:) After many years it will tire and stop. Then I shall die. November 2nd. I am growing con-TIN-ually! My arms and legs are taking shape. But I must wait a looong time before these tiny legs will waise me to my mother's arms. November 12th. Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. How small they are! One day I'll stwoke my mother's hair, and tell her how niiice she is. November 20th. Only today the doctor told my mother that I'm living here under her heart. Howwww happ-peee she must be! Are you happy, mudther? November 25th. Today is Thanksgiving. My mother and father are probably thinking about a name for me. And they don't even know that I am a liddo boy, so they are probably calling me Barbara. (Inane giggle) But I want to be called Andy. I am growing sooo big. December 10th. My hair is growing. It is as bright and shiny as the sun. I wonder what kind of hair my mother has? December 13th. My eyes are almost fully developed although the lids are still shut. When mother brings me into the world it will be FULL of SUNSHINE and O-ver-FLOWING WITH FLOWERS! I have never seen a flower you know, but more than anything (pathetic whimper:) I want to see my mommy. How do you look, mommy? December 24th. I wonder if my mother hears the delicate beat of my heart. Some children are born with sickly hearts and then the gentle fingers of a doctor performs {sic} miwacles to make them healthy. But my heart is healthy. It beats so evenly. Tup tup. Tup tup. You shall have a healthy son mudther. December 28th. (Music cuts off suddenly.) Today (music "sting", an abrupt minor key chord), my mother killed me. (Singing:) Whyyy did you killll me mommeee, When god made me special for youuuuu? I weeeeally wannnted to see youuuu, and put my liddoo arms awound you. (Still singing, theatrically choked up, on the verge of "tears":) Why did you kill me mommy? Because I thought you really cared for me. And I wonder what I would have gwown up to be (Spoken:) I guess I'll never know ... (Singing:) 'Cause Mommeee, youuuu killllllled meeeeeeeeeeee. #nosmileys
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Post by MambaduMal on Nov 23, 2003 13:56:44 GMT -5
*and there was a thoughtful and sad silence*
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Post by Vince Noir on Nov 26, 2003 12:24:41 GMT -5
I dont understand what Chick Tracts are? Please can someone explain! Is it American or am i just thick!!!
Thankyou for reading!! Luv Phoebe
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Post by Amphagorey on Dec 6, 2003 14:44:20 GMT -5
Wow. I see nothing wrong with Christians trying to convert. I personally am a Wiccan. Wicca has actually been around longer than Christianity, and it is a very principlmatic and good religion. No animal sacrifice, no bloodshed. Wicca is about understanding the connections between all living creatures. Not like what this Chick guy protrays us to be in his little comic "Boo." This guy obviously did no reaserch, and is being very closed minded. I respect Christians in what they do, because my family is Christian, and I think Christianity is good, although I personally find Wicca more to my personally spirtiual ground. But this Chick guy is being one of the worst Christians I think possible. But that is just my opininon.
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Post by pennyroyal on Dec 6, 2003 14:46:09 GMT -5
But this Chick guy is being one of the worst Christians I think possible. But that is just my opininon. And it's a very good one...
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